# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/441 "2025-05-08T16:23:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Have you considered the possibility that where both sides see the other as wrong, one of those views might be accurate? The left seem much more aware of what the right-wing media report and how it correlates to actual reality than the right are of what the non-right-wing media (I’m not even going to say “left-wing media” because it’s not an even balance) report and how it correlates to actual reality. I had forgotten about this. I used to think it was the other way around: right-wingers had a good grasp on what the left believe, while left-wingers were largely ignorant about people and ideas on the right, and most of their beliefs about them were strawmen. Then Elon bought Twitter and I realised I had only been seeing the smart conservatives. 🤣 So, in general left-of-centre media is more factually accurate, and often tries (but fails) to be unbiased. Due to education polarisation, people on the left tend to be better informed in general: we can see that even formerly left-wing or bi-partisan conspiracies like anti-vaxx have switched to mostly being embraced by the right. Right-wing media tends to be both more openly biased (further from the centre) and lower quality - lower brow and less factually accurate. Why is media that aspires to be mainstream and unbiased nevertheless tilted to the left? Because the pipeline that used to exist of local media to national media is dead. The model for getting into journalism now is going to a top university and then accepting an unpaid or low paid internship - while living in a super-expensive city; such people are overwhelmingly left of centre in their politics. But it is biased, both in what stories it reports, and how it frames them. I think people on the right are still pretty well informed about what the mainstream media is saying; they just don’t _believe_ any of it. Which is unfortunate on the whole, since as I said, it’s more factually accurate. On the other hand, stories that draw a lot of attention on the right are often largely ignored in more liberal forums. Does that mean you never heard them? I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/442 "2025-05-08T16:29:37Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > But it is biased, both in what stories it reports, and how it frames them. I think people on the right are still pretty well informed about what the mainstream media is saying; they just don’t _believe_ any of it. Which is unfortunate on the whole, since as I said, it’s more factually accurate. On the other hand, stories that draw a lot of attention on the right are often largely ignored in more liberal forums. Does that mean you never heard them? I don’t know. You sound like you’re about to give us a promo code for a subscription to Ground News 🤣 but there’s a reason that service exists/is pitched that way - it’s describing a real phenomenon. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/443 "2025-05-08T18:14:24Z")
He’s now come in to the Papal Conclave thread with SovCit bullshit. > So, an American who accepts a landed title of nobility is considered to have given up their US citizenship, right? > And the Pope is the head of state of the Vatican City, does that count as a noble title? > Will the new pope have to renounce US citizenship? No Dumbfuck. The Titles of Nobility Amendment was never ratified. Use that argument to disqualify the Judge when you claim you are traveling in a conveyance and not driving a motor vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/444 "2025-05-08T18:21:35Z")
Holy shit, that level of hostility is entirely unwarranted. I mixed up this bit of the constitution with the unratified amendment that I half remembered: > [@](#): > > Article I, Section 9, Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. I have no idea what any of this has to do with sovereign citizens. Who shat in your cornflakes this morning, @Saint_Cad? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/445 "2025-05-08T18:31:58Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I mixed up this bit of the constitution with the unratified amendment that I half remembered: Great job on double checking your facts before posting. Oh wait, horrible job doing that thing you didn’t do. > [@Babale](#): > > I have no idea what any of this has to do with sovereign citizens. SovDipshits claim lawyers that use “Esquire” have received a foreign title and therefore lost their citizenship and therefore cannot be a prosecuting attorney or judge. > [@Babale](#): > > Who shat in your cornflakes this morning, @Saint_Cad? You. In the thread. ETA: > [@The 2025 Papal Conclave](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2025-papal-conclave/1017913/174): > > Consider me chastened for thinking it would be humorous if a half remembered obscure bit of legal lore that never comes up would actually come up, in some tangential way. I will never attempt to joke about the incredibly serious matter that is The Law ever again, and will flagellate my back forty times with a lash to atone for my sin. Just fuck off already. You were absolutely 100% factually wrong and when you get called out on it and corrected then you make it like YOU are the victim. Beck recently got noted and warned for making a thread about her and what you just did was worse than she has ever done. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/446 "2025-05-08T18:34:36Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Great job on double checking your facts before posting. Oh wait, horrible job doing that thing you didn’t do. I’m _so sorry_ that my tongue in cheek joke was inaccurate. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > SovDipshits claim lawyers that use “Esquire” have received a foreign title and therefore lost their citizenship and therefore cannot be a prosecuting attorney or judge. That sounds _incredibly_ stupid, so par for the course for Sovereign Citizens. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > You. In the thread. Ok, bud. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/447 "2025-05-08T18:35:27Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > He’s now come in to the Papal Conclave thread with SovCit bullshit. WTF? Those posts in the new pope thread were completely innocuous. You’re just being an asshole here for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/448 "2025-05-08T18:36:53Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > The vast majority of evil people and movements which, at some point in their histories, could have been validly compared to Hitler don’t actually end up being anywhere near as bad as Hitler Your right. Nobody beats being Hitler than Hitler himself! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/449 "2025-05-08T18:39:31Z")
Well, I read it differently. I just mod-noted him for his response to Saint\_Cad. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/450 "2025-05-08T18:50:39Z")
I’m referring to the post **Saint\_Cad** called out as “sovcit bullshit,” not the subsequent responses. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/451 "2025-05-08T18:53:07Z")
Got ya. I didn’t see anything wrong with that particular **Babale** post, either. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/452 "2025-05-08T18:55:28Z")
The content of the post you flagged should have gone here, not there. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/453 "2025-05-08T18:57:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m referring to the post **Saint\_Cad** called out as “sovcit bullshit,” not the subsequent responses. The use of TONA is often used by SovCits to invalidate someone’s position in the judicial process. I have _never_ heard it used outside of that context or another SC batshittery. > [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Your right. Nobody beats being Hitler than Hitler himself! One good thing about Hitler is he killed Hitler. > [@Miller](#): > > I’m referring to the post **Saint\_Cad** called out as “sovcit bullshit,” not the subsequent responses. Difference being maybe I am an asshole, but at least I’m an asshole in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/454 "2025-05-08T19:02:33Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > The use of TONA is often used by SovCits to invalidate someone’s position in the judicial process. I have _never_ heard it used outside of that context or another SC batshittery. All I know about SovCits is that they either like it or don’t like it when there’s a gold flange on a flag (I can’t remember which) and that they’re obsessed with the law of the sea. If you’ve frequently encountered the Title of Nobility Act in the context of sovereign citizens, you may be consuming too much sovereign citizen content. I have no idea where I came across the idea that US citizens aren’t supposed to take noble titles - maybe in a Harry Turtledove alt Hist novel where they _did_ implement such a law, and I forgot that this was part of the ALTERNATE history. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/455 "2025-05-08T19:04:53Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The content of the post you flagged should have gone here, not there. My bad. Thank you for recognizing this. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/456 "2025-05-08T19:07:10Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If you’ve frequently encountered the Title of Nobility Act in the context of sovereign citizens, you may be consuming too much sovereign citizen content. Yeah but not what I said is it. I never said I frequently encounter it. I said that when I do, it is only is the context of SovCit non-logic. So I don’t think I’ll take your advice as it is built on a faulty premise. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/457 "2025-05-08T19:08:54Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I have no idea where I came across the idea that US citizens aren’t supposed to take noble titles - maybe in a Harry Turtledove alt Hist novel where they _did_ implement such a law, and I forgot that this was part of the ALTERNATE history. I was also under the impression that there was some law about US citizens having foreign titles, which I half-remembered from first bit of Tom Clancy’s _Patriot Games_, which I read circa 1995. I dare you to find a more iron-clad cite than that. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/458 "2025-05-08T19:11:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I was also under the impression that there was some law about US citizens having foreign titles, which I half-remembered from first bit of Tom Clancy’s _Patriot Games_, which I read circa 1995. Are you _sure_ that’s the reason you had this memory, and it’s not because you’re a Sovereign Citizen without even knowing it? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/459 "2025-05-08T19:36:07Z")
I did recently sew gold fringe on all my underwear, so that my pants are now governed by maritime law, but I don’t think that’s related. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/460 "2025-05-08T19:39:13Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > you may be consuming too much sovereign citizen content. YoU’rE fUnNy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=24)