# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/461 "2025-05-08T19:47:08Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I did recently sew gold fringe on all my underwear, so that my pants are now governed by maritime law, Hey now, it’s not the size of the boat but the motion in the ocean. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/462 "2025-05-08T20:17:45Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > There’s a difference between attributing malice to Hitler and those actively working for him, and the entire German - or American -population. The right wing _is not_ “the entire American population”. > [@Miller](#): > > I was also under the impression that there was some law about US citizens having foreign titles, which I half-remembered from first bit of Tom Clancy’s _Patriot Games_, which I read circa 1995. > > I dare you to find a more iron-clad cite than that. The [Constitution](https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S9-C8-4/ALDE_00013204/) probably counts. 😁 > Article I, Section 9, Clause 8: > > No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/463 "2025-05-08T21:20:34Z")
That only applies to Persons holding Offices of Profit or Trust under the United States. Not sure if that means elected officials or any Federal employee, but it definitely doesn’t apply to all citizens across the board. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/464 "2025-05-09T08:46:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I did recently sew gold fringe on all my underwear, so that my pants are now governed by maritime law, but I don’t think that’s related. Lmao. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/465 "2025-05-09T14:05:11Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Why is media that aspires to be mainstream and unbiased nevertheless tilted to the left? Because reality has a well-known left-wing bias. > [@DemonTree](#): > > I think people on the right are still pretty well informed about what the mainstream media is saying; they just don’t _believe_ any of it. I’m not convinced. What many people on the right know of what the mainstream media say is what the right-wing media tell them the mainstream media are saying. I am reminded, for example, of the January 6 hearings, which the right-wing media loudly discouraged their audience to actually watch on any other networks because they only wanted their own (horribly misleading) interpretation heard. And many of their audience did exactly that. > [@Babale](#): > > they either like it or don’t like it when there’s a gold flange I used to have a gold flange, but time is cruel to us all. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/466 "2025-05-09T14:12:41Z")
> [@Insults against groups of people that include posters](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insults-against-groups-of-people-that-include-posters/1018150/9): > > Ever hear of Cadance Owens? No, but I am familiar with Candace Owens noted for her opinion that dinosaurs are “fake and gay”, thinks all of the Moon landings are hoaxes, and that the Earth is probably flat. She’s exactly who I’d point to as a reasonable person demonizing the concept of intersectionality . . . if I didn’t want to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/467 "2025-05-09T14:25:38Z")
Yeah, Owens is objectively a terrible person who says stupid things and should not be taken seriously by anyone about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/468 "2025-05-09T14:37:38Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > No, but I am familiar with Candace Owens noted for her opinion that dinosaurs are “fake and gay”, thinks all of the Moon landings are hoaxes, and that the Earth is probably flat. Cadance Owen’s chief failing is that she’s the largest antisemite out there today. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > She’s exactly who I’d point to as a reasonable person demonizing the concept of intersectionality . . . if I didn’t want to be taken seriously. It’s a good thing I didn’t do that, you sorry excuse for a human. I pointed to her as an example of someone demonizing intersectionality _who is not a white man_. Since I think intersectionality (the academic concept) is a good thing, I’m not sure why you’d think _anyone_ I point to as demonizing it is someone I think is _reasonable_. So either you’re _actually_ so stupid that you misread my post as saying she’s reasonable, or you’re a bad faith piece of shit trying to paint me as a conservative. (Actually, I shouldn’t leave out the third option: you’re both bad faith _and_ monumentally stupid) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/469 "2025-05-09T14:38:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yeah, Owens is objectively a terrible person who says stupid things and should not be taken seriously by anyone about anything. Yeah, obviously. Can you point to a post where I’ve said otherwise, or are you just falling for @toomanycrowspeckinghisbrain’s lies? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/470 "2025-05-09T14:40:24Z")
> [@Insults against groups of people that include posters](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/insults-against-groups-of-people-that-include-posters/1018150/8): > > I accurately described the source of demonization. It is indisputably cishet whites, and mainly men. If you find some other people demonizing the concept of intersectionality, I’ll be glad to reconsider, but everyone knows this is accurate Here’s the post I was responding to, that noted piece of shit liar and waste of oxygen @crowmanyclouds conveniently cropped out. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/471 "2025-05-09T14:52:35Z")
I have read that post and it seems like you brought up Candace Owens for some reason. And I’m not seeing any dishonesty in their post. Just idiocy in yours. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/472 "2025-05-09T14:57:02Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I have read that post and it seems like you brought up Candace Owens for some reason. …what? What do you mean by “some reason”? I _did_ bring her up for a _reason_. HMS said that the source of demonization is “indisputably cishet whites and mainly men” and asked for other examples. Cadance Owens _is_ another example. What nefarious _reasons_ are you alluding to here? > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > And I’m not seeing any dishonesty in their post. Just idiocy in yours. To be clear, this is the dishonest part: > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > She’s exactly who I’d point to as a reasonable person demonizing the concept of intersectionality . I _didn’t_ point to her as a _reasonable_ person demonizing the concept of intersectionality. I don’t think any _reasonable_ people do that, and of all the _un_reasonable people who do, she is the most unreasonable ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/473 "2025-05-09T14:59:08Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I pointed to her as an example of someone demonizing intersectionality _who is not a white man_. And I pointed out that you picked a total nut for your example. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/474 "2025-05-09T15:01:37Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > And I pointed out that you picked a total nut for your example I agree, she’s a total nut. _Everyone_ who demonizes intersectionality is a total nut. What’s your point, and why did you _lie_ and say that I brought her up as a _reasonable_ anything? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/475 "2025-05-12T11:39:38Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Yeah, obviously. Can you point to a post where I’ve said otherwise, or are you just falling for @toomanycrowspeckinghisbrain’s lies? Can you point out where I “fell for lies” or are you still mad I won’t fall for yours? Tell us the one about how DT is posting in “good faith” again, Unca Babale. I want to get to point out again that the whole reason this intersectionality discussion came up is because DT played it as a distraction from her overt lying about feminism and trans people and to feign victimhood, just like she’s doing now with autism. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/476 "2025-05-12T15:19:05Z")
> [@Should accusations of gaslighting be treated as accusations of lying?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-accusations-of-gaslighting-be-treated-as-accusations-of-lying/1018149/19): > > But I (and probably others) was denying what I thought you said. Not denying what you apparently meant to say. > > We can’t automatically guess what you mean, no matter how sincerely you mean it. > > So it seems to me that misunderstanding is still the issue; and that if people appear to be denying something that you’re sure happens, the first thing to do is to make sure that they understood what you meant. Replying here because it’s not really suitable for ATMB, and we were discussing the topic in this thread earlier. I’ve been thinking about this, and I don’t believe the issue is simple misunderstanding. I think it’s defensiveness. I, and to a lesser extent @Babale, are outsiders criticising a group most of the other posters see themselves as belonging to. And criticism from outsiders is not taken well in general. Tends to lead to circling of wagons and fear that admission of any shortcomings will be used to attack the group as a whole. So the impulse is to assume the worst possible meaning of what I said, and deny it. Would more careful language on my part help? Surely it would, but it would still be an uphill struggle to be understood, and to stop people jumping off on wrong assumptions. It’s a lot of work, and quite frankly I’m not always willing to put that effort in. Only because @Babale started a discussion here did I continue. Communication is hard enough when everyone is trying to understand, let alone when the other person is paranoid about admitting anything out of fear it will be used against them or their ingroup. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/477 "2025-05-12T16:10:25Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I don’t believe the issue is simple misunderstanding. I’ve been reading the intersectionality thread, and I now think I understood you correctly the first time; but that I disagree with you about terminology and about what intersectionality actually is. That thread would be the place to discuss it, but I’m trying really hard not to start posting in that thread, or really further on this subject, because I’ve got too much else to do right now; though I have been reading it, because despite what you seem to be saying I am trying to understand the perspectives in that discussion. I really don’t think the problem is my defensiveness, however. I think our experience with progressive voices has been very different – perhaps because of where we’re finding them. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/478 "2025-05-12T18:51:55Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > That thread would be the place to discuss it, but I’m trying really hard not to start posting in that thread, or really further on this subject, because I’ve got too much else to do right now Fair enough. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > that I disagree with you about terminology and about what intersectionality actually is Terminology debates are generally not interesting. I don’t think there is even a word for what I was describing, since it’s not really an intentional part of social justice beliefs, but rather something that emerged from applying them in the real world, and the fact that ideas inevitably get simplified in transmission. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > though I have been reading it, because despite what you seem to be saying I am trying to understand the perspectives in that discussion. > > I really don’t think the problem is my defensiveness, however. I think our experience with progressive voices has been very different – perhaps because of where we’re finding them. Glad to hear you’re trying to understand. And I wasn’t meaning to single out you in particular, but I’m definitely having a much harder time than usual getting to a place of mutual understanding. Makes me wish there was a bashing-head-against-the-wall emoji. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/479 "2025-06-25T05:28:21Z")
Poster MortSahlFan posts that’s he’s been so distraught since first Mort Sahl died, then MSFan’s brother died 18 months after that, that he can no longer leave his house. > Mort’s death was the most difficult thing I ever dealt with, getting a text that he passed away that day from the woman who was with him during his last breath, but being told he always liked when I visited him or talked to him online meant a lot to me and I only wish I had more time with him.. That is, until my little (and only) brother passed away at the age of 37 eighteen months later. I don’t leave my house anymore, and pretty much given up because it’s been the story of my life, so this is my last try. He’s been working on some kind of tribute video and was asking for input. This is so terribly sad. He’s posted here for years about his obsession with Mort Sahl, which has now left him so depressed as to be unable to leave his home. But instead of offering any condolences or advice, the very first response, from Babale, is "Username checks out. Well, hardy-har, asshole, instead of making MortSahlFan look bad, you made yourself look like a complete jerkface. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/480 "2025-06-25T05:38:32Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Well, hardy-har, asshole, instead of making MortSahlFan look bad, you made yourself look like a complete jerkface. Are you high off your ass? “Making MortSahlFan look bad”? What the fuck are you on? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=25)