# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/521 "2025-08-01T16:15:42Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > You know as well as everyone else that that was not his reaction to the fact of starvation Yes, his reaction was/is to deny it was/is happening. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/522 "2025-08-01T16:16:28Z")
Yes, and also no. I have thought less of Babale since he started reacting to accusations of Israeli malfeasance by laughing at the people making the accusations. He could have contested those accusations, or ignored them, or said the person making them was misinformed. But instead, he either laughed at them or accused them of antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/523 "2025-08-01T16:18:54Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Palestinian [Islamist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist) organization [Hamas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas) claimed responsibility for the bombing during a rally in [Gaza City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City) attended by some 10,000 supporters. A masked Hamas speaker said: “This operation today is a part of a series of operations we will launch from everywhere in Palestine”. At the speakers’ request, the entire crowd knelt to pray that future Hamas attacks “would succeed against the enemy of God”.[ > > But in no way supporting genocide, of course. Yes, it’s trivially easy to find quotes of Palestinians supporting genocide, too. I do agree that Babale has not said anything that makes me think he approves of genocide or favors it against any group. That’s a rather bizarre accusation. ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/524 "2025-08-01T16:21:33Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Yes, and also no. I have thought less of Babale since he started reacting to accusations of Israeli malfeasance by laughing at the people making the accusations. He could have contested those accusations, or ignored them, or said the person making them was misinformed. But instead, he either laughed at them or accused them of antisemitism. This is fair, and I would agree with this for the most part. I think Babale is one of the most considered, rational and insightful posters on this board, WITH THE EXCEPTION of his defense of Israeli actions, where he becomes belligerent and dismissive of a lot of fair points raised by others. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/525 "2025-08-01T16:29:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Was I reacting […] your false claim Once again - I’m not talking about a reply to me. > [@Babale](#): > > But you lie about everything else Projecting like a YesPlanet Imax. What’s the matter, the old “Blood Libel!” accusation not doing it for you like it used to? > [@Babale](#): > > you’re a piece of shit scumbag When the cowardly warhawk genocide denialist insults one, I think one is free to take it as a badge of honour. > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I know this is the pit, but this is completely disingenuous of you. Fuck off. > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > You know as well as everyone else that that was not his reaction to the fact of starvation It was his method of denying it was happening at all. As he’s _still_ doing. > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I think Babale is one of the most considered, rational and insightful posters on this board, You must not have read this thread, then. It wasn’t started because of his genocide cheerleading. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/526 "2025-08-01T16:31:19Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > We both know that you know exactly what you’re doing. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I don’t have a fucking clue what you think I’m doing. Honestly, I don’t know what he’s going on about anymore, either. I don’t know if it’s a matter of I can’t keep up or if there’s just no coherency left. @Babale can you dial it back for a day or two? Take a break? This isn’t healthy. You are literally _not making sense_ anymore even if you think you are. > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > This is fair, and I would agree with this for the most part. I think Babale is one of the most considered, rational and insightful posters on this board, WITH THE EXCEPTION of his defense of Israeli actions, where he becomes belligerent and dismissive of a lot of fair points raised by others. He is not rational about the topic. No reason, all emotion. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/527 "2025-08-01T20:01:11Z")
Babale, speaking as a Gentile who works with Jews and has no anti-Semitic agenda whatsoever, you are a complete fucking asshole. You offer no defense for Israel’s hardline approach to Gaza. You just resort to name calling and accusations of lying when confronted with cites and news reports of Israel’s atrocities. This Trumpian tactic is fucking childish and in no way helps us to empathize with Israel. ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/528 "2025-08-02T02:22:59Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You must not have read this thread, then. It wasn’t started because of his genocide cheerleading. I haven’t read _all_ of this thread, but I’ve read the beginning. I stand by my assertion. Babale’s position was simply that, while what this administration is trying to do to trans people is horrible, it is stupid and short-sighted to try to equate it to some sort of Hitler extermination order. I broadly agree with him. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/529 "2025-08-02T06:11:57Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I haven’t read _all_ of this thread, but I’ve read the beginning. Well, there’s your problem! We’re not talking about that anymore. Now we’re talking about the genocide in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/530 "2025-08-02T07:34:50Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I broadly agree with him. Thereby disagreeing with the actual trans person who posted. Nice! ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/531 "2025-08-02T11:33:25Z")
> [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4914): > > > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4914): > > > > > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4912): > > > > > > The thing they aren’t doing is finding other Israel supporters who they are in lockstep on 90% of the issue and sending them death threats. > > > > …are you sure? > > > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4917): > > > > But I was only talking about the _first_. So are you sure Richie Torres isn’t getting death threats, and if he is, do you know what the source is? > > > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4917): > > > > “Are you sure” is a perfectly valid question here. Much as I hate to defend BB, I think his comments here were along the lines “the other side does it too” rather than referring to a conspiracy theory that I also had never heard of before today. That’s how I understood them, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/532 "2025-08-02T11:37:12Z")
“They do it toooo!!!” is a _defense?_ ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/533 "2025-08-02T11:46:38Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > while what this administration is trying to do to trans people is horrible, it is stupid and short-sighted to try to equate it to some sort of Hitler extermination order. The road to fascism is paved with people telling you to stop overreacting. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/534 "2025-08-02T11:47:02Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Much as I hate to defend BB, I think his comments here were along the lines “the other side does it too” rather than referring to a conspiracy theory that I also had never heard of before today. That’s how I understood them, anyway. Yeah, that’s not a defense. In fact it’s a backhanded insult. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/535 "2025-08-02T11:57:54Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > The road to fascism is paved with people telling you to stop overreacting. The whole thing about the “boy who cried wolf” parable is that his initial, false cries were based on nothing. The moral doesn’t really apply if you can hear the wolf howls getting closer, even if the wolves aren’t here and eating the sheep yet. And the same people who used to use the “there aren’t going to be any camps” argument have now moved the goalposts to “yes, there are camps but they’re not **death** camps” as if that’s somehow a mitigation. And then they blame the ones who sounded the alarm early for how bad things have gotten Oh, and things keep continuing to get worse for trans people too. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/536 "2025-08-02T12:10:12Z")
……nm….. ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/537 "2025-08-02T12:54:17Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Well, there’s your problem! We’re not talking about that anymore. Now we’re talking about the genocide in Gaza. right, which is why I said this: > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I think Babale is one of the most considered, rational and insightful posters on this board, WITH THE EXCEPTION of his defense of Israeli actions, where he becomes belligerent and dismissive of a lot of fair points raised by others. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/538 "2025-08-02T14:13:50Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I haven’t read _all_ of this thread, but I’ve read the beginning. What kind of proudly ignorant asshole are you? “I can’t be bothered to actually know what I’m talking about but I’ll spout off opinions like I do!” And you admit that? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/539 "2025-08-02T14:38:19Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > What kind of proudly ignorant asshole are you? > > “I can’t be bothered to actually know what I’m talking about but I’ll spout off opinions like I do!” > > And you admit that?. Are you _actually_ fucking braindead? He was responding to a post about why this thread was started. Reading the beginning of the thread is exactly what he’d need to do to weigh in on it, you ignorant fuckwad. Did _you_ read every post in this thread, including the ones where the pitting petered out and there was just random discussion on random topics? If so, what important context for Gyrate’s idiotic initial pitting do you think werewolves missed out on by skipping those posts? And if not, what kind of hypocritical piece of shit are _you_? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/540 "2025-08-02T14:45:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If so, what important context for Gyrate’s idiotic initial pitting do you think werewolves missed out on by skipping those posts? It’s funny, because with every single post you continue to validate this pitting. > [@Babale](#): > > And if not, what kind of hypocritical piece of shit are _you_? Nothing compared to you. For example, you whine pathetically when people accuse you of supporting Israel because you have “criticized Netanyahu”, yet virtually every one of the meager citations you have offered in that thread involve you parroting Israeli propaganda. But you will accuse people of supporting Hamas or Iran or of bizarre antisemitic conspiracies at the drop of a hat. But please proceed, you slimy little fucker. You’re doing a great job of pointing out that this thread hasn’t gone far enough to condemn you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=28)