# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/621 "2025-08-11T22:13:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > How many times did you have to hit yourself on the head in order to achieve such an ascendant level of stupidity? If I were as stupid as you keep insisting I am, I’d find your arguments credible. But I’m not, and they aren’t, no matter how hard you double down on your “attack to avoid having to defend the indefensible” strategy. > [@Babale](#): > > Your literal quote right there is about Netanyahu’s plan, which is indeed not an annexation. Isn’t it, though? > [@Babale](#): > > If Netanyahu annexed Gaza, it would be part of Israel. It wouldn’t need a civilian administration to be established. You fucking numbskull. The Vichy government might want a word, you morally-bankrupt scumbag. > [@Babale](#): > > Israel’s not annexing Gaza. That’s a delusional fantasy. …says the person who keeps claiming genocide isn’t happening either. I’d accuse you of being a delusional fantasist yourself but you clearly _know_ you’re lying to defend monsters. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2025, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/622 "2025-11-03T14:18:40Z")
So there is a thread that should have been put in the Pit and got moved here. OK, not a big thing except I asked a question and Babele the Bufoon who can’t read for comprehension characterizes t as saying something so he can ride my ass about something completely innocuous. It’s like he has to manufacture conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/623 "2025-11-03T14:20:53Z")
I see that your avatar is still accurate. To be clear, what you’re getting so butthurt about is me saying that you “said” something when you feel I should have said you “asked” it. Do you need a hand getting on that cross? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2025, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/624 "2025-11-03T14:32:10Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > To be clear, what you’re getting so butthurt about is me saying that you “said” something when you feel u should have said you “asked” it. Not butthurt in the slightest despite your best effort (which being your best is still pretty weak). Just calling out what an idiot you are. But I see in this thread and the other one you got all butthurt that I called you out. Seems like a case of projection. Keep it up, it amuses me on this Monday. And my avatar is awesome, thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/625 "2025-11-03T14:33:20Z")
OK buddy. 👍 😃 👍 ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/626 "2025-11-05T20:12:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m not going to even try to be civil to you in GD or PE any more, genocide-denying motherfucker. It got to the point that I no longer considered him/her simply a genocide-denier as I think they moved into genocide-cheerleader territory. At that point I ignored them and it’s been pretty sweet since. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/627 "2025-12-19T17:14:47Z")
Babale lies about my position to try and weasel out of inaccurate claims about my words: > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/5746): > > [Motte-and-bailey fallacy - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy#:~:text=The%20motte%2Dand%2Dbailey%20fallacy,(the%20%22bailey%22)). You start off with the motte here: You continue fighting outside the motte here: Then you drop the drawbridge but do not retreat across it here, by introducing some off ramps like “in the back (or otherwise posed no threat)”: And then you post your link without actually sounding the retreat, until I call you on it, and suddenly the motte never existed and you’re only defending the bailey. That’s precisely the beauty of this tactic, isn’t it? Just another internet liar. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/628 "2025-12-19T17:31:32Z")
👍 😃 👍 I love your castle, it has a very nice moat. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/629 "2025-12-19T17:38:09Z")
Your just a liar because you can’t support your claim about my post personally, and in my guess, also because you’re having trouble justifying the shooting fleeing civilians stuff. One day you’ll probably feel shame about this (not about this discussion, but about carrying water for so long for atrocities). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/630 "2025-12-19T17:41:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Your just a liar because you can’t support your claim about my post personally, and in my guess, also because you’re having trouble justifying the shooting fleeing civilians stuff. The fact that I predicted you were talking about the GHF thing and then it turned out that indeed you were doesn’t give you pause? OK. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/631 "2025-12-19T17:46:58Z")
Cite that you predicted that I was talking about “the GHF thing”? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/632 "2025-12-19T17:57:21Z")
👍 😃 👍 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/633 "2025-12-19T17:59:22Z")
Right. False claims, so you can’t back them up. It’s easier just to avoid false claims in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/634 "2025-12-19T18:09:31Z")
False claims like this one? > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/5715): > > Shooting unarmed civilians in the back is normal legal military action? Oh wait, I forgot, you didn’t mean “someone shot civilians in the back”, you mean “a guy claimed that after he fired at people and they retreated someone else shot at them too”. [![](https://i0.wp.com/www.exploring-castles.com/image-files/caerlaverock_castle_aerial.jpg?resize=512%2C384&ssl=1) ](https://i0.wp.com/www.exploring-castles.com/image-files/caerlaverock_castle_aerial.jpg?resize=512%2C384&ssl=1) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/635 "2025-12-19T18:17:15Z")
More lies from an internet liar. It’s a shame. Lies are apparently easier than even considering that maybe an IDF member who says he witnessed atrocities might be honest and accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/636 "2025-12-19T18:18:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > More lies from an internet liar. It’s a shame. Lies are apparently easier than even considering that maybe an IDF member who says he witnessed atrocities might be honest and accurate You’re such a deranged, brain broken little shit you can’t even say what you disagree with, you just screech “liiiiiiieeeeesssss”. Go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/637 "2025-12-19T18:20:37Z")
Ha! Funny hearing that from a guy who makes a bunch of claims about my specific words that he refuses to back up with a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/638 "2025-12-19T18:22:36Z")
I cited your entire motte and bailey operation step by step, in the very post you quoted when you came to cry about it here. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/639 "2025-12-19T18:32:42Z")
Sure you did, even though my cite supported my original claim. Then you made your own I-asked-if-you-were-talking-about-the-GHF-incident motte, then retreated to a brand new actually-I-made-up-a-bunch-of-propaganda-nonsense-and-never-mentioned-the-GHF bailey. A fine stonemason you are! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/640 "2025-12-19T18:44:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Sure you did, even though my cite supported my original claim. No, it didn’t. Nowhere in the cite you linked does the soldier talk about anyone being shot in the back. He talks about shooting towards a group, which moves away from _him_, at which point _other soldiers_ fire towards them. That’s _not the same thing whatsoever_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=33)