# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1181 "2026-09-15T21:21:41Z")
I am just so shaken up over this guy not liking me, I can’t handle it! [![](https://s.yimg.com/lo/mysterio/api/dffaf0d836ee897bcd7f9347d6c884b44aa22b816c14f321722db2f05217b0fa/lightyear_networkapi/resizefill_w1200%3Bquality_80%3Bformat_webp/https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fthe_telegraph_258%2Fe886d55047a7a2b5b26a21bddf70c4da.jpg) ](https://s.yimg.com/lo/mysterio/api/dffaf0d836ee897bcd7f9347d6c884b44aa22b816c14f321722db2f05217b0fa/lightyear_networkapi/resizefill_w1200%3Bquality_80%3Bformat_webp/https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fthe_telegraph_258%2Fe886d55047a7a2b5b26a21bddf70c4da.jpg) #notantisemiticatallBTW ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1182 "2026-09-15T22:13:00Z")
Thing is that that highly offensive antisemitic costume was known before his “Free Palestine!” shout out. That, just like black face, and a host of other offensive stereotype costumes, are fair enough to say, nope, not in my stadium. But that wasn’t what did it. He was not kiboshed over his antisemitic antics; those were apparently _fine,_ but for making a political statement that was not hate speech. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1183 "2026-09-15T22:23:41Z")
Oh no, you guys! The manager of Kneecap seems to have missed the memo and forgot to use find-and-replace to make sure his tweets talk about “Zionists” and not “Jews”: [![](https://i.ibb.co/qFBxCf6B/HSRt-Po8-Wk-AAtm-Vl.png) ](https://i.ibb.co/qFBxCf6B/HSRt-Po8-Wk-AAtm-Vl.png) #NotantisemiticatalleitherBTW Someone better contact him and get him up to speed before he gives away the game. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1184 "2026-09-15T22:26:19Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Thing is that that highly offensive antisemitic costume was known before his “Free Palestine!” shout out. > > That, just like black face, and a host of other offensive stereotype costumes, are fair enough to say, nope, not in my stadium. But that wasn’t what did it. > > He was not kiboshed over his antisemitic antics; those were apparently _fine,_ but for making a political statement that was not hate speech. Right. That Kraft hasn’t banned frickin’ Kanye West shows that this is not about antisemitism, but rather speech critical of Israeli policies and in favor of Palestinian rights. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1185 "2026-09-15T22:27:19Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > He was not kiboshed over his antisemitic antics; those were apparently _fine,_ but for making a political statement that was not hate speech. You expect me to believe that his ‘free Palestine’ bullshit is _not_ about his obvious hatred of Jews? Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1186 "2026-09-15T22:35:19Z")
So then why did Kraft wait for the _non-hateful non-antisemitic speech_ to ban him, rather than the earlier antisemitic costume? Why does Kraft allow Kanye West to perform? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1187 "2026-09-15T22:53:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Case in point: Robert Kraft (billionaire buddy of Trump, Netanyahu and Epstein ) forced Ed Sheeran to drop Macklemore from his concert tour under threat of having the whole tour cancelled because Macklemore kept saying “Free Palestine”. Gotta silence those critics of Israel every way they can… Yeah, you can’t even pose as a [caricature Orthodox Jew with big hooked nose](https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-27483970) on stage without someone smearing you as anti-Semitic. [Shame, that](https://variety.com/2026/music/news/pink-explains-macklemore-social-media-post-palestine-jewish-1236859273/). 😠 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1188 "2026-09-15T23:21:49Z")
That’s not why Kraft banned him - it was for the non antisemitic words he said about Palestinian rights. Kraft is letting Kanye West perform - he obviously doesn’t actually care about antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1189 "2026-09-15T23:34:53Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Yeah, you can’t even pose as a [caricature Orthodox Jew with big hooked nose](https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-27483970) on stage without someone smearing you as anti-Semitic. First, they came for the rappers who wore prosthetic noses to mock Jews… ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1190 "2026-09-15T23:41:51Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You expect me to believe that his ‘free Palestine’ bullshit is _not_ about his obvious hatred of Jews? I expect it to be extremely clear that his obvious hatred of Jews was obvious before and was not disqualifying. It somehow was not a problem. Is his position on Palestine motivated by his Jew hatred? Probably. Highly probably even. But the action that _was_ hate speech seems to have been _fine_ and the speech that wasn’t was not. Hate speech is therefore not the issue. Separately just like I believe a conservative should disavow support from a Neo Nazi, I think Palestinian rights folk should disavow support from this piece of trash (and unless he was doing Fiddler on the Roof that costume is evidence enough of that). But his being a Jew hater is not why he was dropped. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1191 "2026-09-15T23:42:31Z")
We’re getting a great real time demonstration of how the fight against antisemitism is sometimes perverted for bullshit politics and to distract from atrocities. Thanks, Jack and Babs! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1192 "2026-09-15T23:47:27Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But his being a Jew hater is not why he was dropped. Is that supposed to be some kind of own? Do you think I’m shitting on the antisemitic piece of shit Macklemore out of a misguided duty to defend Robert Kraft’s honor? I don’t give a flying fuck about Kraft or why he removed Macklemore. Kraft isn’t my ally or someone I want to defend. I am simply happy that there is one less disgusting antisemite using a stage to spew his anti-semitism. > [@DSeid](#): > > Is his position on Palestine motivated by his Jew hatred? Probably. Highly probably even. Cool, then we are in complete agreement. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1193 "2026-09-15T23:47:38Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > as a caricature Orthodox Jew Umm, have you actually ever seen an Orthodox Jew? 'Cause that caricature is missing some key elements. I’m not saying that it wasn’t an entirely offensive caricature of, I’d assume, a Jew but it wasn’t an Orthodox one. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1194 "2026-09-15T23:50:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I don’t give a flying fuck about Kraft or why he removed Macklemore. Nice to see you admitting here that the _why_ doesn’t matter to you. Conflating non-hateful pro-Palestinian-rights speech with antisemitism is just fine with Babs. Perverting the fight against actual antisemitism is fine with Babs. The ends justify the means for Babs! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1195 "2026-09-15T23:53:21Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You expect me to believe that his ‘free Palestine’ bullshit is _not_ about his obvious hatred of Jews? > > Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha! You expect us to believe that your continuous doubling down on this narrative is _not_ about your obvious hatred of Palestinians? Hahaha etc. > [@Babale](#): > > Did he actually know about Kraft when he made that tweet? If so, why did he give no evidence? Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. And yet you haven’t managed to be right once yet today. I mean, everything Macklemore said turned out to be true and everything you said about it turned out to be an obvious lie, and yet _you keep lying_. > [@Babale](#): > > You _really_ can’t imagine any reason to be offended by Mamdani’s actions other than Islamophobia? You really can’t imagine any reason for people to say “Free Palestine” other than antisemitism, so… > [@Babale](#): > > Is that supposed to be some kind of own? Do you think I’m shitting on the antisemitic piece of shit Macklemore out of a misguided duty to defend Robert Kraft’s honor? No, you’re doing it because you support Israel’s actions in Gaza and in defense of its actions in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1196 "2026-09-15T23:53:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Perverting the fight against actual antisemitism is fine with Babs. The ends justify the means for Babs! See: The Platner thread. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1197 "2026-09-16T00:03:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You expect us to believe that your continuous doubling down on this narrative is _not_ about your obvious hatred of Palestinians? Unlike you, I don’t hate Palestinians. I want them to have a state of their own; you want to use them as a cudgel to attack “Zionists”. > [@Gyrate](#): > > You really can’t imagine any reason for people to say “Free Palestine” other than antisemitism, so… Sure I can! I can’t imagine another reason for this guy to say it: [![](https://s.yimg.com/lo/mysterio/api/dffaf0d836ee897bcd7f9347d6c884b44aa22b816c14f321722db2f05217b0fa/lightyear_networkapi/resizefill_w1200%3Bquality_80%3Bformat_webp/https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fthe_telegraph_258%2Fe886d55047a7a2b5b26a21bddf70c4da.jpg) ](https://s.yimg.com/lo/mysterio/api/dffaf0d836ee897bcd7f9347d6c884b44aa22b816c14f321722db2f05217b0fa/lightyear_networkapi/resizefill_w1200%3Bquality_80%3Bformat_webp/https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fthe_telegraph_258%2Fe886d55047a7a2b5b26a21bddf70c4da.jpg) It sure is touching how you defend him, though. > [@Gyrate](#): > > No, you’re doing it because you support Israel’s actions in Gaza and in defense of its actions in Gaza. [![](https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/thumb/a/a5/Shocked_Pikachu.png/250px-Shocked_Pikachu.png) ](https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/thumb/a/a5/Shocked_Pikachu.png/250px-Shocked_Pikachu.png) No, really? I love that you’re brain broken enough to feel like this is some kind of own. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1198 "2026-09-16T00:04:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Is that supposed to be some kind of own? Not my thing that. This was the statement you objected to: > [@Gyrate](#): > > Case in point: Robert Kraft (billionaire buddy of Trump, Netanyahu and Epstein ) forced Ed Sheeran to drop Macklemore from his concert tour under threat of having the whole tour cancelled because Macklemore kept saying “Free Palestine”. Gotta silence those critics of Israel every way they can… It appears to be accurate. He was not dropped because he was a Jew hater, again that was known before and was okay, he was dropped because of saying “Free Palestine.” I would have been fine if his hire was blocked in the first place. Very fine. Not for dropping him for saying “Free Palestine.” whatever his reasons why. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1199 "2026-09-16T00:04:30Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > See: The Platner thread You mean the thread where I was completely right about Planter while you assholes bent over backwards to accuse rape victims of lying in order to defend a shitty Nazi rapist? Yeah, you really covered yourself in glory, there. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1200 "2026-09-16T00:09:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > while you assholes bent over backwards to accuse rape victims of lying in order to defend a shitty Nazi rapist? Yeah, you really covered yourself in glory, there. I assume you’re not lumping me into that _you_, correct? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=61)