# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1281 "2026-09-17T03:59:02Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …we aren’t talking about ten people. Right - as the link above shows, since the start of 2026, Hamas has gone back and claimed _hundreds_ of people who had died in the first months of the war as combatants. And they will continue to do so, as useful idiots like you stop paying attention. Certainly none of the UN groups will go back and correct their counts. This pattern has played out in literally every prior war. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The numbers you are talking about are statistically irrelevant. No, they really aren’t, but I can see why you’re so desperate to pretend that they are. Minimize thousands of combatants here, invent thousands of deaths there… Whatever is needed for the Omnicause. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Concession accepted. I concede that you are even stupider than I thought you were. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Link to the threads already. I don’t _have_ the link. I’m going off memory here. If I’m wrong, you’re welcome to correct me. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1282 "2026-09-17T04:06:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Right - as the link above shows, since the start of 2026, Hamas has gone back and claimed _hundreds_ of people who had died in the first months of the war as combatants. And they will continue to do so, as useful idiots like you stop paying attention. Certainly none of the UN groups will go back and correct their counts. > > This pattern has played out in literally every prior war. …so you can’t back up your claim then that “the combatant to civilian ratio is somewhere between 1 to 2 and 1 to 3 which is about as good as you ever get in this sort of urban war.”. It was a _lie_. You are just out here spreading lies and propaganda. > [@Babale](#): > > No, they really aren’t, but I can see why you’re so desperate to pretend that they are. > > Minimize thousands of combatants here, invent thousands of deaths there… Whatever is needed for the Omnicause. You are the person that is literally making stuff up. We’ve just established that. > [@Babale](#): > > I don’t _have_ the link. I’m going off memory here. If I’m wrong, you’re welcome to correct me. LOL. That isn’t how it works. You made claims about me. Back them up or withdraw. Because I _knew_ you didn’t have the link. I _knew_ you were just going off memory. You are so utterly transparently _pathetic_ here. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1283 "2026-09-17T04:09:39Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …so you can’t back up your claim then that “the combatant to civilian ratio is somewhere between 1 to 2 and 1 to 3 which is about as good as you ever get in this sort of urban war.”. Sure I can, and I have, numerous times now. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It was a _lie_. A projection is not a _lie_, even if you put it in _italics_, especially when there is _every_ reason to _think_ it is _acc_urate. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > You are just out here spreading lies and propaganda. Three fingers pointing right back atcha bud. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > That isn’t how it works. You made claims about me. Back them up or withdraw. > > Because I _knew_ you didn’t have the link. I _knew_ you were just going off memory. You are so utterly transparently _pathetic_ here. Gasp! You _knew_ the _thing_ that I _have_ been saying _all_ along? Incredible! It’s like you’re _perfectly_ in tune with _the_ words that I _literally wrote down_! I accept your concession that the claims about thousands of mass graves at Canadian boarding schools was yet another lie. I am glad to hear you are no longer making that claim. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1284 "2026-09-17T04:24:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Sure I can, and I have, numerous times now. > > Banquet\_Bear: …liar. > [@Babale](#): > > A projection is not a lie, even if you put it in italics, especially when there is every reason to think it is accurate. YOU are a liar. I can’t check any projections because you refuse to cite them in this thread. I’m calling **you** a liar. > [@Babale](#): > > Gasp! You _knew_ the _thing_ that I _have_ been saying _all_ along? Incredible! It’s like you’re _perfectly_ in tune with _the_ words that I _literally wrote down_! You are lying about what I said. > [@Babale](#): > > I accept your concession that the claims about thousands of mass graves at Canadian boarding schools was yet another lie. I’m not conceding nor apologizing for nothing. While we are here, do you condemn the killing of Hind Rajab? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1285 "2026-09-17T04:31:40Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I’m not conceding nor apologizing for nothing. That’s OK, I accept your concession anyways. I’m glad you’ve stopped pushing the lie that there were thousands of graves at Canadian boarding schools. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1286 "2026-09-17T04:32:42Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > That’s OK, I accept your concession anyways. I’m glad you’ve stopped pushing the lie that there were thousands of graves at Canadian boarding schools. …do you condemn the killing of Hind Rajab? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1287 "2026-09-17T04:36:53Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > do you condemn the killing of Hind Rajab? Yes, I condemn whatever asshole drove her at a military checkpoint, and I condemn the people who cared more about political stunts than about properly coordinating with the IDF and got paramedics killed as a result. Thanks again for no longer lying about Canada. Hopefully one day you’ll manage the same thing about Israel. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1288 "2026-09-17T04:45:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I just saw an interview on the Israeli news with the director of NAZA where he admitted that he did not in fact verify and of the farfetched claims he made in the movie. Liar and consumer of IOF lies. > **['NAZA' co-director Abraham clashes with Israeli journalist over Gazan deaths...](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-908673)** > > "Why didn’t you broadcast?” 'NAZA' co-director Abraham said in an interview. “You say \[our film\] wasn’t complex enough. Okay. So why didn’t you broadcast something complex yourself?” > Abraham rejected Drucker’s questioning, noted that the documentary was published in partnership with _The Guardian_, and added that the interviews were more specific. > > “This is a _Guardian_ film, made in cooperation with a leading publication, with a staff of editors who had access to the raw materials,” Abraham said. **“The identities of the people were verified, the cases they discussed were verified.”** ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1289 "2026-09-17T04:47:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Yes, I condemn whatever asshole drove her at a military checkpoint, and I condemn the people who cared more about political stunts than about properly coordinating with the IDF and got paramedics killed as a result. …Hind Rajab is easily the most undisputed atrocity out of hundreds of atrocities committed by Israel in Gaza in the last three years. And yet: Babale can’t even bring himself to condemn the actions of the IDF here. Here is the real story. > **[Forensic Architecture](https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab)** A reminder that the IDF LIED about being in the area for three years. They only admitted it _last month_. From wiki: > [@wiki](#): > > As the area was besieged, the PRCS worked with the [Gaza Health Ministry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry "Gaza Health Ministry") and the Israeli military to guarantee safe passage for their ambulance crew to rescue Rajab. After hours of waiting, the PRCS says it was given the approval to send the ambulance along a designated route. > **[Killing of Hind Rajab](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab)** > > Hind Rami Iyad Rajab (Arabic: هند رامي إياد رجب; 3 May 2018 – 29 January 2024) was a five-year-old\[a\] Palestinian girl in the Gaza Strip who was killed by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the Gaza war, which also killed six of her family members and two paramedics coming to her rescue. On 29 January 2024, Rajab and her family were fleeing Gaza City when their vehicle was shelled by the IDF, killing her uncle, aunt and three cousins, with Rajab and another cousin surviving and contacting ... Babale is LYING about “properly coordinating with the IDF”, and the IDF lied about not being in the area. > [@Babale](#): > > Thanks again for no longer lying about Canada. Unlike you: I’ve actually gone back and read the thread in question, and I didn’t lie about Canada, and I have nothing to apologize for. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1290 "2026-09-17T04:51:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Abraham rejected Drucker’s questioning, noted that the documentary was published in partnership with _The Guardian_, and added that the interviews were more specific. > > “This is a _Guardian_ film, made in cooperation with a leading publication, with a staff of editors who had access to the raw materials,” Abraham said. **“The identities of the people were verified, the cases they discussed were verified.”** ROFLMAO. Yes, he _rejected the framing_ and brought up the Guardian, and then he admitted that no, he didn’t actually verify anything. From your own source: > [@](#): > > “The IDF has never planned, approved, or carried out a strike in Gaza in which 500 civilians or anything near that number were anticipated to be killed. Nor was any credible claim raised throughout the war suggesting that an IDF strike had caused anything near that number of fatalities,” the IDF wrote in a statement on X. > > “The filmmakers couldn’t possibly verify this claim; there is no real supporting evidence, **and yet they published it anyway. Additionally, nothing about the interviewee, not his service nor his role, can be independently checked and verified.”** You’re a liar and consumer of Hamas lies. But I doubt you actually believe them. You’re not _that_ stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1291 "2026-09-17T04:53:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > he admitted that no, he didn’t actually verify anything. Quoting the lying IOF is in no way an admission by the director. Liar. > [@Babale](#): > > You’re a liar and consumer of Hamas lies. _Abraham_ is Hamas now? Man, the paranoia in you has really set in, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1292 "2026-09-17T04:55:15Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > _Abraham_ is Hamas now? Man, the paranoia in you has really set in, isn’t it? Huh? Are you stupid? He’s a Jew, Hamas would kill him no matter how much he sucks up to them. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1293 "2026-09-17T04:56:40Z")
So if I’m quoting Abraham, and he’s citing Israelis, where is Hamas in all that chain? Are they under the bed? Is Hamas in the room with us right now? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1294 "2026-09-17T04:59:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So if I’m quoting Abraham, and he’s citing Israelis, where is Hamas in all that chain? They aren’t? I don’t believe Abraham because he demonstrated himself to be full of shit on that interview, not because of anything the IDF said. So I assumed you were being general in calling me an IDF shill, not asserting that I got this particular talking point from the IDF. I am not saying you got these particular lies from Hamas. I am saying that, in general, you are a consumer of Hamas lies. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Are they under the bed? Is Hamas in the room with us right now? What is an IOF and is one in your closet at this time? At least Hamas exists, unlike whatever an IOF is. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1295 "2026-09-17T05:14:02Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > They aren’t? Ah, so “deflect, deflect, deflect”, huh? That’s so D-d-dumb. > [@Babale](#): > > I don’t believe Abraham because he demonstrated himself to be full of shit on that interview I’ll leave that for others to decide - as @TroutMan already has, for instance. I’ll just point out that _it was the IOF_ you were emphasising in your own quote. So when you say > [@Babale](#): > > not because of anything the IDF said you’re clearly talking out of your ass. > [@Babale](#): > > So I assumed you were being general in calling me an IDF shill, not asserting that I got this particular talking point from the IDF. No, I very much was being specific. You’re aware everyone can actually read both what you quoted _and chose to emphasise_, as well as the entire article, right? > [@Babale](#): > > What is an IOF and is one in your closet at this time? At least Hamas exists, unlike whatever an IOF is. I don’t know, you tell me, you’re the one who keeps quoting them. Don’t know why you keep asserting they’re in any way _de_fensive, though. I guess you just really love their D. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1296 "2026-09-17T05:18:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’ll just point out that _it was the IOF_ you were emphasising in your own quote. Are you completely incapable of even a single factually accurate statement? Show me on the doll where this “IOF” touched you. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1297 "2026-09-17T05:19:07Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You’re aware everyone can actually read both what you quoted _and chose to emphasise_, as well as the entire article, right? That’s amazing! You knew I would emphasize a sentence from an IDF tweet multiple posts before I actually did it? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1298 "2026-09-17T05:25:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Are you completely incapable of even a single factually accurate statement? It’s factually accurate that there’s precious little defensive about the genocidaire IOF. > [@Babale](#): > > You knew I would emphasize a sentence from an IDF tweet multiple posts before I actually did it? You are that predictable, yes. Pure _hasbara_, straight from the killers’ ass to your lips. I assume _everything_ you post on the topic is recycled IOF shit in some form. “See a Babale post, look for the IOF source” has been an amazingly accurate heuristic for years now. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1299 "2026-09-17T05:29:32Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You are that predictable, yes. Pure _hasbara_, straight from the killers’ ass to your lips. I assume _everything_ you post on the topic is recycled IOF shit in some form. Sure, sure. Because your bog standard America Bad/West Bad/Wypipo Bad routine is _so_ original. You’re a useful idiot to an empire that no longer exists. Your entire ideology is a sad, pathetic echo of a psyop they abandoned decades ago with some modern Russian fuel tossed on the embers. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1300 "2026-09-17T05:42:07Z")
America _is_ Bad. “The West” is a fractured illusion, but I quite like a lot of it. Like the bits finally seeing through IOF lies and finally doing things. Wypipo? Now, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. Always _au courant_ with the hip lingo, hey, daddy-o? But .. but … you said you were Brown, man! > [@Babale](#): > > You’re a useful idiot to an empire that no longer exists. Did this “empire” cuck your dad or something? Because the only empire that’s still relevant to this discussion is the one supplying the IOF with the money for their bombs. And you’re definitely their idiot too, as much as you’re the IOF’s. _Useful_, not so much. You’re clearly doing your side more harm than good on this board, with the obvious lies and public bootlicking. And yeah, like someone else said, don’t think it’s gone unnoticed how you’ve stopped cheerleading the Iran debacle. So all I can say is - fail harder, it’s glorious. And, ironically, helping. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=66)