# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1301 "2026-09-17T05:48:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > America _is_ Bad. Illiberals like you are bad. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Like the bits finally seeing through IOF lies and finally doing things. Yeah, you would like your fellow echoes of Soviet propaganda, wouldn’t you? > [@MrDibble](#): > > Wypipo? Now, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. So you’re not cool with slurs as long as you’re “punching up” anymore? Somehow I highly doubt that. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Did this “empire” cuck your dad or something? No, it died and fell apart, and aside from pathetic echoes like yourself, they’re gone for good. > [@MrDibble](#): > > And yeah, like someone else said, don’t think it’s gone unnoticed how you’ve stopped cheerleading the Iran debacle. What’s there to talk about with Iran? It’s mostly just been Trump playing with the stock market, and I’ve said what I think about his games numerous times now. If we actually go back to war with Iran, like if their little stunt with the Houthis blows up in their face, then I’m sure that there will be more to say. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1302 "2026-09-17T05:55:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Illiberals like you are bad. “No, U”. Man, you suck at being a nonny, that’s for sure. > [@Babale](#): > > Yeah, you would like your fellow echoes of Soviet propaganda, wouldn’t you? Aah, yes, those well-know Soviet propaganda echoes, Britain and France. > [@Babale](#): > > So you’re not cool with slurs as long as you’re “punching up”? Oh, I was cool with saying wypipo. Four years ago, grandpa. > [@Babale](#): > > No, it died and fell apart, and aside from pathetic echoes like yourself, they’re gone for good. Ooh,ooh, call me a “tankie” next, that one always gets a laugh! > [@Babale](#): > > What’s there to talk about with Iran? I don’t know, you had _plenty_ to say when you thought it was all going to be over quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1303 "2026-09-17T06:00:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Oh, I was cool with saying wypipo. Four years ago, grandpa. So what slur do you use to make your disdain for white people clear nowadays? > [@MrDibble](#): > > Ooh,ooh, call me a “tankie” next, that one always gets a laugh! Oh, no, you made it perfectly clear that you’re the only thing even dumber than a tankie: a campist anarchist. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t know, you had _plenty_ to say when you thought it was all going to be over quickly. The war part _was_ over quickly, and rapidly entered the “Trump stock market manipulation” stage. I talked about that at the time, but we’ve been there for months now. What else is there to say? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1304 "2026-09-17T06:17:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > So what slur do you use to make your disdain for white people clear nowadays? Wypipo was never about “disdain for white people” on Black Twitter. Just like Karen, it had a specific meaning in its original setting. Until YTs\[1\] got hold of it, that is. > [@Babale](#): > > a campist anarchist. I can be very camp, but I’m definitely not campist. Would a campist think “the West” is an illusion? Proudly anarchist, for sure. But even if I _were_ a campist, that’d be less dumb than being a “liberal” fascist like you. > [@Babale](#): > > The war part _was_ over quickly Tell that to the sailors on your carrier… * * * 1. That’s the new hotness, just so you know ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1305 "2026-09-17T06:29:50Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Proudly anarchist, for sure. I would say there’s always hope, but I kinda doubt it. > [@MrDibble](#): > > But even if I were a campist, that’d be less dumb than being a “liberal” fascist like you. I can’t imagine being an adherent of an ideology that has never achieved anything and shit talking liberalism with people across the world using technology created by liberalism. The cognitive dissonance must be absolutely mind-blowing. At least the Communists built a few things before they fell apart. I’m also sad to see that your pejoratives for liberals are a hundred years old. You should keep fresh with it, like your slurs for white people. Plus, it kinda gives the game away when you’re repeating slogans originally popularized by the Comintern. Almost like you really _are_ a pathetic echo of a failed ideology. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1306 "2026-09-17T06:38:47Z")
_Liberals_ are fine even though I’m not one. Their hearts are generally in the right place. “Liberals” who loudly proclaim their supposed liberalism in the same breath they support genocide are a different story. Hearts not even in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1307 "2026-09-17T06:50:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > same breath they support genocide You know what? Fuck the insults and the back and forth. You’re disengenuous and I have never supported genocide. The little value you offer in sci-fi threads is not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1308 "2026-09-17T07:02:45Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You’re disengenuous and I have never supported genocide. Ha ha ha. Liar. Denial is support. > [@Babale](#): > > The little value you offer in sci-fi threads is not worth it. Please feel free to put me on ignore, fash-boy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1309 "2026-09-17T08:28:57Z")
Coward Babs ducks out after repeating the Trump line that the Iran war is over. Israeli propaganda isn’t enough for you, Babs, you need that Trump propaganda too! You’re a real embarrassment. Don’t worry, @MrDibble. He’s not really blocking you. He hasn’t really blocked me either, despite his claims. Or, at least, sometimes he clicks to see the blocked posts, especially in this thread. Also funny (and telling) that the two guys he’s blocked are the two who’ve been asking him about the Iran war. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1310 "2026-09-17T11:13:34Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What’s there to talk about with Iran? It’s mostly just been Trump playing with the stock market, and I’ve said what I think about his games numerous times now. 6 months ago you were such a cheerleader for it. You made so many predictions about the weakness of the regime, how they wouldn’t be able to close the strait, how they were a paper tiger etc. The last I heard from you was how bad the 300B cease fire deal was (maybe I missed one of the thteads about it?). But that broke down within a week and it’s fairly obvious why it’s a stalemate now - the " let the Iranian people rise up" plan has backfired horribly, Iran hasn’t lost regional influence, and has successfully upended the oil market. Ot should now be obvious that it would take a ground invasion to depose Iran’s regime and the original idea was horrible. For you (or anyone else who thought it was a good idea) there should be so much to say about how badly it’s backfired and why so many of your predictions were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1311 "2026-09-17T12:42:38Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What’s there to talk about with Iran? It’s mostly just been Trump playing with the stock market, and I’ve said what I think about his games numerous times now. > > If we actually go back to war with Iran, like if their little stunt with the Houthis blows up in their face, then I’m sure that there will be more to say. Sure looks like a war from here. There are lots of ways to manipulate the stock market to help your friends, war is just one of them. Like what’s happening in Iran. A fucking illegal war. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1312 "2026-09-17T12:47:54Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The war part _was_ over quickly, and rapidly entered the “Trump stock market manipulation” stage. I talked about that at the time, but we’ve been there for months now. What else is there to say? So, what makes it _not_ currently a war? Anyway, we seem to agree that there was a war. I’m pretty sure it was illegal from the start. (Under US law, that is). It was obviously a terrible idea from the start. And look, now the world economy is fucked up thanks to our actions. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1313 "2026-09-17T13:34:37Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > 6 months ago you were such a cheerleader for it. You made so many predictions about the weakness of the regime, how they wouldn’t be able to close the strait, how they were a paper tiger etc. And if America wanted to actually fight them, that would still be the case. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > The last I heard from you was how bad the 300B cease fire deal was (maybe I missed one of the thteads about it?). But that broke down within a week Did it? We still haven’t gone back to actually fighting Iran, have we? We’re still just trading a couple missiles when Trump wants to fuck with the markets and that’s about it, aren’t we? > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > and it’s fairly obvious why it’s a stalemate now - the " let the Iranian people rise up" plan has backfired horribly, Only because Trump decided he wanted to fuck with markets instead of finishing the war. Which I’ve always acknowledged was a possibility from day one - it’s fucking Donald Trump, the biggest selfish idiot on the planet. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Iran hasn’t lost regional influence, Iran spent more time bombing the Gulf states than anything else. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Ot should now be obvious that it would take a ground invasion to depose Iran’s regime and the original idea was horrible. Huh? How is that obvious? Trump half assed the war, which was always a possibility. He fought for a few days and then started playing with the stock market. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > For you (or anyone else who thought it was a good idea) there should be so much to say about how badly it’s backfired and why so many of your predictions were wrong. I’m pretty sure I said all along that there’s a good chance Trump loses interest a few days in and tries to find a way to enrich himself instead. You _do_ know that, right? You aren’t arguing against a completely fabricated straw man of what my position is? > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Sure looks like a war from here Wars generally involve fighting. As of the last few days, Iran seems intent on making this into a war again, having sicced their pet Houthis on the Gulf states; we will see if that amounts to anything more than more stock market manipulation. At the very least, it demonstrated to Saudi Arabia the uselessness of cozying up to Turkey and Pakistan, so at least there’s that. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Anyway, we seem to agree that there was a war. I’m pretty sure it was illegal from the start. (Under US law, that is). It was obviously a terrible idea from the start. And look, now the world economy is fucked up thanks to our actions. I get that this doesn’t matter to you in any way shape or form, but the war started on October 7, and Iran was launching hundreds of ballistic missiles at Israel over and over and over again until this war took out their capacity to do so. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1314 "2026-09-17T13:37:43Z")
The Israeli war may have started then. The US war didn’t. And the US war was illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1315 "2026-09-17T13:39:45Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And the US war was illegal. If aiding your ally when an enemy whose stated policy is and always has been your ally’s total destruction is launching hundreds of ballistic missiles at them is illegal, then the US has shitty laws. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1316 "2026-09-17T13:51:39Z")
Congress could have voted to attack Iran. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1317 "2026-09-17T13:52:44Z")
Not with the Horseshoe Coalition they couldn’t have. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1318 "2026-09-17T13:53:06Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m pretty sure I said all along that there’s a good chance Trump loses interest a few days in and tries to find a way to enrich himself instead. I’m pretty damn sure that Babs is lying here and I’m going to hunt down his post to prove it. Babs, don’t even bother trying to lie about this crap. Your lies will be found and called out. It just makes you look even more pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1319 "2026-09-17T13:56:05Z")
The US has a lot of shitty laws but we at least had a convention that’s not shitty which is that the president needs congressional approval for major military actions outside of emergenies. And it makes sense - a major involvement in a war that requires serious blood and treasure for a long time shouldn’t be done lightly. Part of how we got where we are is that Trump went in on a whim and never actually convinced congress or the public to send Americans to die over this. He wants to TACO out of it on a whim but he can’t because the status quo is that Iran still has a near total control over the strait (some traffic from smaller ships has evaded their strikes but normal tanker traffic still can’t get through and it’s still a chokehold on the wotld economy). I think the only law Trump may have broken was that he’s supposed to get congressional approval - he had a dumb loophole where he ended the war and then started it up immediately but this is obviously a bullshit attempt to evade it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1320 "2026-09-17T13:57:32Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > The US has a lot of shitty laws but we at least had a convention that’s not shitty which is that the president needs congressional approval for major military actions outside of emergenies. Yes, I understand that you don’t view hundreds of ballistic missiles launched at Israel as an “emergency”. That’s pretty clear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=67)