# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1321 "2026-09-17T14:02:40Z")
Dude you are not stupid enough to think there was an emergency for this one. Nothing was new in Feb 2026 except that Iran’s regime looked in worse shape than usual. If anyone in favor of the war was honest with themselves they’d admit that itvwas the exact situation where you needed to get support for a big commitment, and there was no need to rush in without it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1322 "2026-09-17T14:10:43Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m pretty sure I said all along that there’s a good chance Trump loses interest a few days in and tries to find a way to enrich himself instead. You _do_ know that, right? You aren’t arguing against a completely fabricated straw man of what my position is? No you didn’t, liar. Here, you say Trump has the war in “the jaws of victory”. Just days after he started this stupid war. > [@Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1102): > > If Trump doesn’t find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, which is always possible with someone so stupid, you’ll celebrate the regime’s fall and admit that these military actions were a good move even if you disagree with Trump’s likely domestic motives for taking said actions? And here, you lay out the specific criteria for which you’d be “extremely critical of Trump’s failure”: > [@Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-all-you-warmongering-pieces-of-shit/1019962/1107): > > If the Regime doesn’t fall and maintains it’s nuclear program, ballistic missile manufacturing and launch capacity, or ability to support a network of foreign proxies across the middle east, then of course I’ll be extremely critical of Trump’s failure. > > I don’t think Iran views that as very likely, considering how they’re lashing out at other Gulf states, at UK bases, etc. They believe that this war is existential for the regime even if you don’t. Well? You’ve been pretty much silent for months. Face it. You were really, really dumb, and you refuse to admit it. You’d rather _lie_ than admit how stupid you were. You never remotely said “there’s a good chance Trump loses interest after a few days” - in fact, just a few days in, you were already declaring Trump had the war in “the jaws of victory”! You’re just a dumbass using lies to cover up your stupidity. Just another internet liar. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1323 "2026-09-17T14:21:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And here, you lay out the specific criteria for which you’d be “extremely critical of Trump’s failure”: Even that was obviously a cop out. Israel knew how reliable Trump was before. Obviously it’s on them to just hope he doesn’t fuck up and leave them with a more hardline regime, more regional power and a bunch of dead people and economic damage. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1324 "2026-09-17T14:23:37Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Yes, I understand that you don’t view hundreds of ballistic missiles launched at Israel as an “emergency”. That’s pretty clear. An attack on Israel is not a fucking attack on the United States dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1325 "2026-09-17T14:23:41Z")
Iran knows now that they can get away with closing the Strait. We handed that to them. Trump and Hegseth. This was very, very foreseeable - I remember gaming out this scenario in the Navy 20 years ago. We knew, but Trump and Hegseth did it anyway. And you cheered them on, @Babale. And now you’re lying about it. Fucking dumbass lying warmonger. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1326 "2026-09-17T14:24:29Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > An attack on Israel is not a fucking attack on the United States dipshit I didn’t say it was, dipshit. Learn some reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1327 "2026-09-17T14:28:42Z")
Iran didn’t attack Israel in 2026. There was no emergency. The only reason not to get public approval was that the public wasn’t going to approve it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1328 "2026-09-17T14:55:13Z")
It’s really, really funny that Babs’ position appears to be that, even after this failed war that has given Iran more power and influence than before, and weakened American munitions stocks and reputation and relationships, that it’s a _good thing_ that Trump didn’t seek congressional authorization to start this war. How fucking dumb is that? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1329 "2026-09-17T15:28:34Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Iran didn’t attack Israel in 2026. There was no emergency. The only reason not to get public approval was that the public wasn’t going to approve it. Yes, and Israel was fending off those missiles. It wasn’t an emergency to the US. Should the US have considered getting involved? Yes, we should take note when our allies are under attack. And also, this is EXACTLY when the deliberate process of having Congress discuss the issue and vote is valuable. If there’d been an actual approval for a war (i know that “declaring war” is out of fashion, but we’ve still had congressionally approved modern wars) then there would have been the stomach to send soldiers there and plan for ships to stay in the area and…and who knows, maybe that’s a war we could have won. Or maybe we wouldn’t have gotten involved, and there’d still be boat traffic in the straight of Hormuz. Either would have been a better outcome than what actually happened, which is just a clusterfuck, advertising to the world that the US is weak along with the other problems. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1330 "2026-09-17T16:34:38Z")
Going completely over the top with the guilt by association technique in the soon-to-be-closed GD thread, presenting some obscure liturgical document produced by some JVP members six years ago and acting as though it were official JVP policy. And continuing to insist that this group of Jews observing a Jewish holiday are aNtiSeMitiC! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1331 "2026-09-17T16:38:13Z")
You’re welcome to answer me here, you disingenuous little fuck, unless you’re just here to troll and wank off. > [@At what point does debate around Israel become antisemitism?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/at-what-point-does-debate-around-israel-become-antisemitism/1033102/178): > > If this is just something some idiot said, has JVP come out and said “actually this was a bonkers and racist idea and we are investigating how such a thing ended up in one of our publications”? If not, doesn’t that _make you suspect of their intentions_? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1332 "2026-09-17T16:42:11Z")
Look at all the Iran questions Babs ignored! You really are a pathetic fucking coward, Babs. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1333 "2026-09-17T16:55:33Z")
It might be bonkers, but it’s not even remotely antisemitic. You’re looking at one person’s suggestion for how Jews might observe Tisha b’Av together and trying to claim it’s some binding commandment being issued to the entire Jewish community. And no, I do not expect the organization to conduct witch hunts whenever internet trolls get their panties in a bundle. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1334 "2026-09-17T16:56:18Z")
“We were winning the war until Trump stabbed us in the back!” So many layers of stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1335 "2026-09-17T17:06:50Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > It might be bonkers, but it’s not even remotely antisemitic. Well, I’m glad to see you so clearly demonstrate that all the “progressive” values you claim to hold are actually just a way for you to attack other people. You could at least _try_ to be subtle about your double standard, but I guess you can’t be assed. Those of us who are actually Liberals will continue to call out both anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and other forms of racism rather than just simply wielding the terms as political cudgels. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1336 "2026-09-17T17:51:12Z")
One thing I’ve been noticing about @Babale - thoughts and motivations appear to be a lot more important to him than actions. Some obscure Jewish peace publication publishes something dumb? Condemn the whole group! They’re antisemites! But kill a bunch of Palestinians? Cause and complicate mass starvation? Cut funding to global health programs that prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths? Start an unnecessary war that kills thousands of civilians and devastates the world economy? Well, maybe that’s not great (or it _is_ great, at least for the war)… But at least they’re not saying something dumb in an obscure Jewish peace publication! Saving human lives is not exactly a high priority for Babs. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1337 "2026-09-17T18:07:37Z")
If you don’t mind me saying… you’ve become quite obsessed. Are you okay? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1338 "2026-09-17T18:29:45Z")
Dude, do you have actual arguments, or is your whole schtick just sniping at andy? He’s not the one coming across as obsessed here. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1339 "2026-09-17T18:31:48Z")
1338 posts. Pretty sure it’s all been said. Happy cake day, btw. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/1340 "2026-09-17T19:02:14Z")
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