# I Pit Babale

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\
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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\
**Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/16 "2025-04-07T15:46:11Z")

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> [@What is the maximum extent to which we are allowed to disagree with transgenderism (on the Dope)?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-maximum-extent-to-which-we-are-allowed-to-disagree-with-transgenderism-on-the-dope/1015807/53):
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> > [@What is the maximum extent to which we are allowed to disagree with transgenderism (on the Dope)?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-maximum-extent-to-which-we-are-allowed-to-disagree-with-transgenderism-on-the-dope/1015807/53):
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> > Can you name any area that involves someone _other than the trans person’s romantic partners and doctors_ identifying the trans person based on their sex assigned at birth rather than the sex they want to be identified with?
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> Why exclude the two main ones?

I don’t understand the question. Why exclude romantic partners and doctors? Because if the statement was “Trans people should be treated as the gender they identify with at all times, no questions asked, including by their doctors and by prospective romantic partners”, I think we could ALL agree that this is a VERY extremist position, right?

Right?

So, since presumably we _all_ agree that “_Trans people should be treated as the gender they identify with at all times, no questions asked, including by their doctors and by prospective romantic partners_” is an extremist position, there’s not a lot of interesting discussion to have there.

If you disagree - if you think that a doctor shouldn’t take sex assigned at birth into account when providing treatment, or that it is transphobic to only choose sexual partners whose sex assigned at birth matches your preference - then say so, and we can discuss those ideas. But if we all agree that those are extreme positions that few if any trans people and activists hold, we can just move on.

> [@What is the maximum extent to which we are allowed to disagree with transgenderism (on the Dope)?](#):
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> But she didn’t, did she? And is treating people in the qualified way you present an extremist position?

I answered this question twice now. The qualified way I present, “_people should be treated accordingly in every area of **PUBLIC** life without regard for aspects of biological sex, and various other things_”, IS an extremist position if it includes sports\*, and IS NOT an extremist position if it excludes sports.

\*I think _restricted_ access for _some_ trans women, for example girls who transitioned before undergoing male puberty, is not an extremist position, although it is a controversial one, even among Democrats. It’s a position I support, mind you.

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