# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 399
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/399 "2025-05-07T14:54:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I asked you to firmly lay down the goal posts and you responded with what I perceived as confirmation that if I had been silly enough to spend time and effort seeking out a cite to begin with, I’d have been met with shifted goal posts. Huh. When I say that you’re offering a much more nuanced argument, I mean that you went from saying, > [@Religion, Transphobia and Category Errors](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-transphobia-and-category-errors/1013878/191): > > _Progressives_, on the other hand… [with the implied _DO spend a lot of time “ordering the pyramid of oppression”]_ to > [@Babale](#): > > To be clear, I’m not making the point that he literally believes in an oppression pyramid that he points to and talks about. I didn’t bring up an “oppression pyramid”. > > What Dean does is support a form of progressivism that is toxic, as exemplified by the way it torpedoed the “Unfuck American Tour”, which brought together a large number of content creators of similar caliber to Dean (although he and Parker are the largest). It’s not at all a problem that you’ve moderated the initial response that I called bullshit on. It’s _good_. That’s how discussion _works_: you thought more about what you said, and presumably realized that your initial answer was a bit flip and inaccurate, and gave a better answer. I’m not going to call that “moving the goalposts.” When I said that I’d never seen progressives spending a lot of time ordering the pyramid of oppression, I was responding to a glib claim. When you started making a more nuanced claim, about how leftists sometimes get too far up their asses about whose identity allows criticism of what, I asked for evidence of what you were talking about that wouldn’t require me to watch multiple videos. And _that’s_ moving the goalposts? No. That’s me trying to understand what you’re talking about and not wanting to watch a bunch of videos to understand it. In this thread, you’ve offered the kind of evidence that we can talk about much more easily. And you’ve disavowed the “pyramid of oppression” language. Again, that’s good. Asking folks to make less glib claims, and to offer textual evidence, is not moving the goalposts. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738)._