# I Pit Babale

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> So?

So, I’m not particularly interested in their advice on how the Jewish people should go about ensuring our future survival.

> [@DSeid](#):
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> It was not antisemitic of them to actively believe that Zionism was a wrongheaded idea.

That’s certainly debatable. At least some of the argument made against Jewish nationalist strike me as internalized anti-semitism.

Thing.Fish tangentially touched on some of this the other day in another thread:

> [@New discussion thread for Israel/Gaza/West Bank (Hijacks tolerated)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/365):
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> Judaism made a virtue of military impotence. We were the people of the Book, concerned with matters of ethics and morality. Warfare was for the descendants of Esau.

That’s a _pleasant enough spin_ on what is, when you get down to it, resigned acceptance of the anti-Semitic belief that the Jew is too weak and pathetic to have his own country, incapable of either the hard manual labor of agriculture or the task of defending his land.

I don’t want to _make it into a compliment_; I’d rather demonstrate that it is completely and laughably wrong.

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