# I pit Bricker for admitting he plans to make posts that are "clearly and utterly unreasonable" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080 "2014-12-01T22:24:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/121 "2014-12-02T20:24:39Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I got an official goddamn censorship spanking/warming for that post, but it was worth it. Your warning was because you revived a 3 year old zombie thread to basically bitch about the board. The lesson there was, if you want to bitch about the board you should create a new Pit thread to do it in. Oh, and also you aren’t very well regarded around here. Now, I can sympathize with that, since I’m not either, but I don’t go out of my way to underscore that fact and paint a big target on my face the way you do. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/122 "2014-12-02T20:25:06Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Srsly? Does anyone expect to be taken “seriously” in the Pit? > > I will admit the thought made me chuckle. I don’t change my posting style on any forum on the boards. It’s not like I forget if someone is an asshat in one forum and that doesn’t carry over. If you’re a dick in the Pit, you’re a dick everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/123 "2014-12-02T20:34:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Then the approach should be to report such posts to the Mods to get the poster warned or banned. Posting a disagreement requires quoting the bullshit argument then addressing it. It’s like reacting to a piece of litter by slapping a Post-It Note on it saying “I disagree with this!” It doesn’t remove the litter, it just calls attention to it. > > I suppose arguably enough objections to litter might get the litterer to stop, assuming the litterer is just careless and not a willful vandal (ie a troll) who just LOVES it when his litter gets attention. If you want to do the sorting, be my guest, but if you want to demand I join you, you can go pound salt, bub. Board rules don’t preclude bad arguments (unless those arguments are invalid or something to do with washing machines). My belief is if there were universal condemnation like when stormfront or some crazy shit happens it would reduce incidents of it happening. I do not demand you do anything. The neighborhood is nicer if we all contribute to pick up litter when we see it. Ignoring it doesn’t seem to make it go away. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/124 "2014-12-02T20:37:39Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Board rules don’t preclude bad arguments (unless those arguments are invalid or something to do with washing machines). Now that was funny. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/125 "2014-12-02T20:41:16Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > If you’re a dick in the Pit, you’re a dick everywhere. From your first cigarette, to your last dying day… … er… uh… never mind. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/126 "2014-12-02T20:45:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “Dishes it,” refers to your dishing out a complaint to me about my unfairly grouping all liberals together. > > Which you have done in the very OP that starts this thread. This wasn’t the main criticism – the point of this thread was that you openly admit you plan to post things that are clearly and utterly unreasonable because you think it works. I think that is eminently pit-worthy, despite my affection for you as a poster and a person. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/127 "2014-12-02T20:46:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, I should adopt the liberal tactic and lie about it, claiming my arguments are pristine? > > (See what I did there? That’s not the liberal tactic. That’s the Lobohan tactic, the elucidator tactic, the BobLibDem tactic. But they receive scant criticism for their continued use of the tactic; why should I be denied it?) I would hope that, whatever you “adopt”, you wouldn’t post _on purpose_ things that are clearly and utterly unreasonable. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/128 "2014-12-02T20:50:07Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > That’s a fair point, I spose, but in the threads _I_ personally have seen, those are very rare threads indeed and any thoughtful documented, informed response he gives is usually met with derision, pig shit and “Yeah, that’s what I would expect from the evil mentally ill conservatives. Just like **Bricker**. Fucking Cat’lics.” The OP is one of them. Could you expand on this? I’m not sure what you mean by I’m “one of them”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/129 "2014-12-02T20:52:24Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > So then the tactic worked? I don’t agree with the tactic myself, but it’s clearly an elevated attempt to illustrate hypocrisy. **Bricker** never said this is the case – it certainly isn’t clear to me. He said the tactic “works” by making readers feel more negatively about the opposing argument by bringing the tone down into the muck (based on his cite). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/130 "2014-12-02T20:53:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I would agree with you there, but previously you said: > I offered you a statement that compared people to cockroaches, and asked for the racism to be pointed out. I see that you didn’t directly respond to that. Okay, I’ll amend this statement – a comparison, even inadvertent, of _black_ (or white, or Jewish, or Asian, etc.) people to cockroaches is a racist comparison. If you said “those black people are running around like cockroaches”, then yes, it’s a racist comparison, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/131 "2014-12-02T20:55:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The answer seems to be much the same as usual - “I can ignore cheap shots aimed at you - why can’t you ignore cheap shots aimed at you?” > > Object strenuously when **Bricker** does it. Ignore when **Der Trihs** and **Lobohan** and **ElvisL1ves** and **BobLibDem** and **elucidator** and **Hentor the Barbarian** and **Fear Itself** and **iiandyii** do it. That’s fair. > > Regards, > Shodan “Cheap shot” is pretty broad, but let’s see a cite for me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/132 "2014-12-02T20:56:41Z")
Just out of curiosity, what’s an inoffensive thing to compare a bunch of running people to? ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/133 "2014-12-02T20:56:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Could you expand on this? I’m not sure what you mean by I’m “one of them”. Here’s just a quick taste from the first thing I found on the last page of the id card thread. So perhaps not hte most egregious thing I have seen, but close enough for hese purposes. He made an analogy. I will not judge the quality of said analogy, but your response was "What a pathetic pile of bullshit. Choosing the posts that interest me to read in full is not the same as ignoring unjust deaths, you whiny little baby. You can’t possibly believe such a load of crap. What’s next, Hitler ignoring the suffering of the Jews? Jesus. When did you get so damn pathetic? Can’t you just accept that posters are going to respond to the posts that interest them, and stop whining about it? What a fucking baby. " [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17939675&postcount=7969](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17939675&postcount=7969) Not exactly high toned debating. Maybe just a simple correction of his post would’ve sufficed. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/134 "2014-12-02T20:57:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Okay, I’ll amend this statement – a comparison, even inadvertent, of _black_ (or white, or Jewish, or Asian, etc.) people to cockroaches is a racist comparison. If you said “those black people are running around like cockroaches”, then yes, it’s a racist comparison, IMO. Is it the cockroaches that make it racist, or the comparison of a particular group to a non-human thing, or something else? I don’t get it. Not everything is racism. Claiming things that are not actually racism as racism weakens all claims of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/135 "2014-12-02T20:59:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “Cheap shot” is pretty broad, but let’s see a cite for me. Incidentally, you’re responding to what Shodan assumed the answer to his question “seems to be”, which is really just the answer he was _expecting_ it to be because I didn’t actually answer the question at all, because I couldn’t figure out what it meant. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/136 "2014-12-02T21:36:11Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Just out of curiosity, what’s an inoffensive thing to compare a bunch of running people to? Pygmies! Unlike a women’s track team, they are a bunch of cunning runts… ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/137 "2014-12-02T21:37:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Just out of curiosity, what’s an inoffensive thing to compare a bunch of running people to? Well-oiled machines? Formula 1 race cars? Look at those folks running that track. Beautiful, graceful, and fast, like gazelles or race cars. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/138 "2014-12-02T21:47:56Z")
Thing is, when I see Bricker posting in a thread, I’m kind of happy, because I know the debate is gonna raise its game. There are going to be cites, the arguments aren’t going to be about washing machines, no jackass is going to come up with a crazy conspiracy theory about how I used the word “dude” and derail the thread with it. In general, Bricker’s presence in a thread improves the quality of posts from **liberals**. But not always. Sometimes Bricker does this thing, where he thinks that low-hanging fruit are what he should emulate, and then his presence is a drag on the thread; he may as well be Shodan or F-P for all the good he does. Whatever. I sometimes lose my shit and respond to idiots, too. But at least I’m ashamed of it and try to stop, for what it’s worth. _with chokes and sobs he sorted out those of the largest size_ ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/139 "2014-12-02T21:55:08Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > no jackass is going to come up with a crazy conspiracy theory about how I used the word “dude” and derail the thread with it. Looks like this might be with you until the day you die. Perhaps you should try therapy. No guarantees, of course. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080/140 "2014-12-02T22:06:06Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > In general, Bricker’s presence in a thread improves the quality of posts from **liberals**. I am asking honestly, do you really belive this? If so, my experience has been compeltely differnt or we have been reading different messgae boards. He gets dragged in to threads with derision where he is not involved or posted. I’ve been on this board… (looks at join date)… going on eight years now. I’m surprised he held it together this long. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-bricker-for-admitting-he-plans-to-make-posts-that-are-clearly-and-utterly-unreasonable/706080.md?page=8)