# I Pit "Cafe Society" people **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051 "2025-02-08T15:52:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/121 "2025-02-09T14:04:37Z")
I developed a taste for Hunt’s ketchup back in the early 1960’s because when I was in 2nd grade I had a crush on a classmate named Ann Hunt. I wonder whatever happened to her. Over time my use of ketchup has declined, being reserved mainly for use with hamburgers and fries. About any brand will do these days. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/122 "2025-02-09T14:15:00Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’m a Hunt’s fan, too, but I know at least Cooks Illustrated in one of their issues found Hunt’s to be #1 with the tasting panel (this would have been an issue in the late 2000s). I assume one of its spinoff shows has at some point, too. It all depends what you want – you want something “fresh and zippier” give Hunt’s a shot. You want something deeper and more concentrated or cooked down, try Heinz. To me, the difference is almost like preferring a fresh tomato sauce to one that has been simmered down for hours. There’s positive points to both. IIRC, the big Coke-vs-Pepsi taste test in the 1980s had folks generally preferring Pepsi over Coke in a one-sip taste test, but generally preferring Coke over Pepsi if they finished, y’know, a can’s worth of sips. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/123 "2025-02-09T14:34:33Z")
Mayo: Duke’s is king around here, which is ironic, because you’d think it’d be duke, but there you go. I never buy any other brand. Ketchup: Mixed with a liberal splort of Tabasco, it’s the perfect dipping sauce for steak fries. Plain, it’s an adequate lube for fast-food fries. Otherwise O got no use for it. Mustard: obviously the superior condiment, substituting flavor for sweetness and grease. Others have their place, but every sandwich needs mustard IMO. Reuben: meh. Hot sauce: the more the merrier. Note that Texas Pete’s Hot Sauce is neither Texan nor hot, but it is a sauce and maybe Pete had something to do with it, but in any case is fraud. Other hot sauces are mostly great. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/124 "2025-02-09T14:49:44Z")
Yeah, as a kid of about ten I took the Pepsi challenge and picked Coke and knew I would pick Coke because I prefer less sweet flavors, even then. But, yes, that was one of the criticisms of that test. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/125 "2025-02-09T14:56:07Z")
Corned beef seldom finds its way into comedy routines, but long ago there was a vaudeville comedian who did riffs on high food prices, and corned beef was singled out. “Five dollars for such a measly amount! I remember when you COULDN’T CARRY five dollars worth of corned beef!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/126 "2025-02-09T15:11:43Z")
I know exactly what you mean. I tried Kewpie one time and although I thought it tasted pretty good, I felt afterward like I had somehow managed to spread it all over my face. I felt saturated by it, as though I had somehow been infected by it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/127 "2025-02-09T15:20:35Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > “Five dollars for such a measly amount! I remember when you COULDN’T CARRY five dollars worth of corned beef!!!” The first Columbo episode I ever saw had the great detective patiently explain that, no, I don’t think it was suicide, because, c’mon: why would a man go to the market and buy himself a three-pound corned beef, and pick out two head of cabbage, and then go home and cut off his own head? ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/128 "2025-02-09T15:30:18Z")
You seem awfully angry at them. I don’t get it. At worst, you can say their recipes can be inauthentic and over-simple, but in general they do a pretty good job as websites/cooking shows/cookbook authors go as far as distilling recipes down to the basics for a non-culinary school trained audience. And I’ll say this- inauthentic or over-simplified, I’ve never cooked any of their recipes that turned out less than good. And I actually appreciate their equipment and ingredient reviews. It’s nice to know what testers liked about a particular sort of pan, and why. Or which specific brand of kitchen gadget actually works well, and which ones don’t. Or which brand of canned tomatoes tastes best. ATK isn’t perfect, but they’re a useful resource who do things that aren’t typically done by other food/cooking shows/websites/cookbook authors. And FWIW, I’m a Duke’s guy myself. I like that extra acidity. Kewpie has its place, but mostly on yakisoba and sometimes sandwiches. I wouldn’t use it for tuna salad. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/129 "2025-02-09T15:31:54Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > As for the OP, his first post is incoherent and after several other posts I still have no idea what the hell he wants, except apparently to start a fight for some reason. True, but this thread has morphed into something rambling and fun and well, _delightful_. How often do we have harmless fun on this board in These Times? So I applaud the OP’s incoherence. He has probably sobered up by now. * * * > [@DaveUnknown](#): > > Does it matter? How the F do you use those things? If you have to ask, then you don’t need one. * * * > [@Tibby](#): > > Indeed, scolding people about which ingredients they do or don’t put on a sandwich is both silly and annoyingly pedantic. IOW it’s The Dope. > [@Tibby](#): > > That said, Philly cheesesteaks are the lone exception. They must be made according to strict tradition: I salute your pedantry and your standards. What is an Amoroso roll and where do I get one? Ok, googling tells me it’s a brand from Philadelphia. I wonder if it is available in Texas. I will keep looking. I need such a bread roll for a sandwich I’m trying to replicate from my childhood. The local [bolillos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolillo) from our beloved HEB aren’t cuttin’ it. * * * > [@LSLGuy](#): > > ETA: ref @Just_Asking_Questions just below: Ketchup is _perfect_ on grilled cheese. And on patty melts. Neither sandwich is complete wo ketchup. Lots & lots of ketchup. (Rethinking my affection for you…) NO ketchup or mustard on grilled cheese! 😱 And NO mayonnaise! Just cheese, bread, and buttered outside. OMG what is this world coming to. Don’t answer. Mustard is okay on a patty melt. Maybe ketchup. I’m not going to think about it. * * * > [@Mangetout](#): > > I tried Kewpie one time and although I thought it tasted pretty good, I felt afterward like I had somehow managed to spread it all over my face. I understand perfectly. I have that reaction sometimes if things are too buttery. I feel like the butter is all over my lips… ewww. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/130 "2025-02-09T15:51:59Z")
> [@bump](#): > > And I actually appreciate their equipment and ingredient reviews. It’s nice to know what testers liked about a particular sort of pan, and why. Or which specific brand of kitchen gadget actually works well, and which ones don’t. Or which brand of canned tomatoes tastes best. What I enjoy about ATK tests is also that even though they always pick a favorite, very often they admit there’s substantially no difference between most of them and it’s mostly a matter of personal preference. I’m not someone who has to use the “best” frying pan or the “best” canned tomatoes. But it is nice to hear them in effect skewer the idea of “best” in the first place, and do so very matter-of-factly. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > True, but this thread has morphed into something rambling and fun and well, _delightful_. How often do we have harmless fun on this board in These Times? So I applaud the OP’s incoherence. He has probably sobered up by now. Hear hear!! OTOH, the OP is still posting kinda hostile incoherent stuff as recently as 10 hours ago, about 12 hours after the OP. He doesn’t sound sincerely truly hostile hostile. So maybe his schtick is just wacked-out curmudgeon. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/131 "2025-02-09T16:02:12Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > maybe his schtick is just wacked-out curmudgeon. Whacked out **contrarian** curmudgeon. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/132 "2025-02-09T16:15:04Z")
> [@Mrs. Olson voice](#): > > The reeechest kind! 😉   ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/133 "2025-02-09T16:18:46Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > cock ring I miss them, has anyone heard from @cochrane ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/134 "2025-02-09T16:30:13Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > Indeed, scolding people about which ingredients they do or don’t put on a sandwich is both silly and annoyingly pedantic. That said, Philly cheesesteaks are the lone exception. They must be made according to strict tradition: an authentic Amoroso roll, paper-thin shaved ribeye, **Cooper Sharp cheese** , and fried onions—no substitutions, no frivolous extras. Waitaminute, why not Philly cream cheese? There should be a plausible reason to call it a _Philly_ cheesesteak sandwich. Ribeye steak can come from Omaha, and fried onions could be from _anywhere_, be it Vidalia, Georgia, Walla Walla, Washington, or Maui, Hawaii. Using cheese that’s named after Philadelphia should be a no-brainer (although I’d hesitate to use the whipped variety with strawberries in). ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/135 "2025-02-09T16:58:26Z")
Because it’s a cheesesteak named after Philadelphia not a steak named after Philly cheese? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/136 "2025-02-09T17:03:30Z")
For the same reason we don’t dip the sandwich in Yuengling Lager. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/137 "2025-02-09T17:04:32Z")
Yeah, I agree. I like Kewpie on some things, but it’s pretty niche in my house. I don’t have any right now, just Duke’s and Hellman’s. Kewpie is pretty eggy and also umami from the MSG most formulations use, and it lingers. (I have nothing against MSG — I use it fairly liberally, even last night I cooked with it in my beef and broccoli. I just don’t necessarily like that taste in my general use mayo.) ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/138 "2025-02-09T17:06:24Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Waitaminute, why not Philly cream cheese? > [@pulykamell](#): > > Because it’s a cheesesteak named after Philadelphia not a steak named after Philly cheese? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > For the same reason we don’t dip the sandwich in Yuengling Lager. And Philadelphia Cream Cheese has never been made in Philly - it’s just a brand name. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/139 "2025-02-09T17:26:30Z")
WHAT??? Another myth shattered… 😢 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051/140 "2025-02-09T17:34:40Z")
> Despite its name, Philadelphia Cream Cheese was invented in New York State, not Philadelphia. In 1872, William Lawrence, a dairyman from Chester, New York, attempted to make Neufchâtel, a tangy, crumblier cheese product that was popular in Europe at the time. Instead he accidentally added an excessive amount of cream and created a richer, more spreadable cheese, which would eventually be called “cream cheese”. It was not marketed as “Philadelphia Cream Cheese” until 1880. > … > At the time, Philadelphia and its surrounding area had a reputation for high-quality dairy farms and creamier cheese products, so they decided to use the name “Philadelphia” on the foil-wrapped blocks of their cream cheese. > [Philadelphia Cream Cheese - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Cream_Cheese) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-cafe-society-people/1014051.md?page=8)