# I pit "criticizing the Plan without giving it a chance to work" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736 "2007-01-27T17:35:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/21 "2007-01-27T19:01:17Z")
Once again Bush treats us to reasoning that would shock a 5th grader with its falaciousness and immaturity. A common corn nodule in the verbal feces of the Cunt in Chief is his treating the war as though it were something imposed on him from without. Hence, his attitude is, > [@The Decider](#): > > Well, we got this War on Terror thing, see, and we were forced to invade Iraq, see, so now we gotta do something, see, so we need a plan, see, so unless you got something better we gotta go with what I got, cuz I’m the Decider, see. Um, no, Mr. Presicunt. _YOU_ are the cause of this shitty war, not Al Quaeda, not Sadaam, muthafuckin’ YOU! ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/22 "2007-01-27T19:07:30Z")
To **Frank** thanks for the intervention on my behalf. I’m cool. To **Liberal** , the backpedal was pretty funny. One of my best friends backpedals rather than apologizing. Since everybody thought I was a boy I think everybody needs to apologize for that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/23 "2007-01-27T19:16:41Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] My dears, I’m a ‘she’. [/QUOTE] Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/24 "2007-01-27T19:16:46Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] There aren’t enough rolleyes in the world for that one. [/QUOTE] Wow, I like busting **Liberal** for being the world’s biggest shrieking drama queen and attention whore, but I thought he was actually being good this time. So much for that. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/25 "2007-01-27T19:19:58Z")
Is W a Monty Python fan? Maybe he’s got the idea that the story of the King of Swamp Castle is an actual life lesson. “. . . but the fourth one stayed up!” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/26 "2007-01-27T19:20:00Z")
We’ve heard this before. Don’t criticize the plan before it’s had a chance to fail, then don’t criticize it while it’s failing, then don’t criticize it a few years after it’s failed because it’s important that we don’t admit failure - and if we don’t admit failure, then we’ve succeeded. It’s called Supporting the Twits. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/27 "2007-01-27T19:22:20Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] If you think its a bad plan, the time to criticize is \*before \* we get a bunch of guys killed. Not after you “give it a chance” to blow up in your face. I thought that was obvious. [/QUOTE] [dubya] Look, all I’m asking is for your traitorous hippies to give me till January 2009. After that, I’ll pull them out if it’s not working. Is that too much to ask? [/dubya] -Joebya ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/28 "2007-01-27T20:43:19Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] To **Frank** thanks for the intervention on my behalf. I’m cool. To **Liberal** , the backpedal was pretty funny. One of my best friends backpedals rather than apologizing. Since everybody thought I was a boy I think everybody needs to apologize for that. 😛 [/QUOTE] Well, now I know how Kerry felt. It really was meant as a joke. If the right people had read it before the wrong people, it would have been responded to that way. In any case, just to make it perfectly clear to you personally, I’m very sorry for a couple of reasons: (1) the responses to my post effectively derailed your thread at least momentarily — maybe people will let it go now; (2) I wrote things that made you appreciate intervention. I regret those things because I like you. I like your user name. I like your posts when I read them. And I liked your responses to my Poll in IMHO. You were one of the few who selected package, which I thought was a ballsy choice […pun alert…]. And you said that 1,000,000 was more aesthetically pleasing than 1. I _love_ aesthetic interpretations. I’m sorry. I apologize. Sincerely. From this, I’ll take the lesson that I’m to be allowed only minimal ambiguity. And that’s only fair. A reputation doesn’t arise out of whole cloth, and people are right to demand that a good one be earned. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/29 "2007-01-27T20:48:06Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] It really was meant as a joke. [/QUOTE] Is OK. I laughed. And thanks 'n stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/30 "2007-01-27T20:56:57Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m to be allowed only minimal ambiguity. In retrospect, I can kind of see how it was meant as a joke. Ambiguity is fine in speech, but without any nonverbal communication it becomes very dangerous online. I think a smiley would have helped. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/31 "2007-01-27T21:17:51Z")
“OK, here’s the plan: we tie a bowling ball to your dick with barb wire, throw you into the La Brea Tar Pit, you snag a mammoth skeleton and swim up to the surface…” “But, sir, that won’t work, there’s no way…” “What!? Aren’t you going to at least give it a chance to work?” “Well, if its going to be you doing the diving, I guess, maybe…” “Can’t. Not allowed. I’m the decider. Gotta stay here, decide stuff…” ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/32 "2007-01-27T21:36:04Z")
Does anyone actually even know what “the plan” is? Has Bush described it to anyone? Maybe he doesn’t know what it is himself. ---
**Author:** ![Iamthat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Iamthat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iamthat)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/33 "2007-01-27T21:45:12Z")
The plan is,….uh sorry, but you don’t have high enough clearance. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/34 "2007-01-27T21:50:19Z")
Come on, we all know The President used to play _Risk_. If he starts moving troops through Australia we know he’s trying to consolidate power. \* - Stolen unabashedly from “Wait, Wait Don’t Tell Me, the NPR News Quiz” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/35 "2007-01-27T22:36:23Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Does anyone actually even know what “the plan” is? Has Bush described it to anyone? Maybe he doesn’t know what it is himself. [/QUOTE] I thought “the plan” was the same thing as “the surge.” ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/36 "2007-01-27T22:37:20Z")
Maybe he means “serge”. Let’s at least wait to see if it’s a sewing plan. ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/37 "2007-01-27T22:41:45Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] [QUOTE=neuroman] Kiss and make up, you two. [/QUOTE] I oppose this plan, yet have nothing _better_ to offer. [/QUOTE] You shouldn’t criticize the Plan without giving it a chance to work. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/38 "2007-01-27T23:13:01Z")
I’m beginning to think that “the Plan,” ultimately, is to keep the nation in a continual state of warfare in order to redirect all real power to the Executive Branch. But that’s just the traitorous hippie in me talking. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/39 "2007-01-28T03:23:51Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Does anyone actually even know what “the plan” is? Has Bush described it to anyone? Maybe he doesn’t know what it is himself. [/QUOTE] The plan is roughly as follows: 1. Add 21,500 troops to Iraq 2. ??? 3. Declare Victory! ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/40 "2007-01-28T13:34:00Z")
[QUOTE=Frostillicus] The plan is roughly as follows: 1. Add 21,500 troops to Iraq 2. ??? 3. Declare Victory! [/QUOTE] [Gee, that sounds familiar.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=402517)😉 Maliki supposedly has said that the _real_ problem is that Iraqi forces just don’t have enough equipment to do the job, and if they had it, they could take care of everything without any help from us Americans. Obviously, the thing we need to do, then is simply give the Iraqis a bunch of guns and ammo and head home. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736.md?page=3)