# I pit "criticizing the Plan without giving it a chance to work" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736 "2007-01-27T17:35:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/41 "2007-01-28T14:27:46Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Obviously, the thing we need to do, then is simply give the Iraqis a bunch of guns and ammo and head home. [/QUOTE] This will be the Democratic plan in 2009. Maybe, if we are lucky, the Dems will come up with something better. I won’t hold my breath. But wait! Maybe the Dem09 Plan is a _great_ long term plan. See, in 50 or 60 years Turkey and Iran will have irridated the area, we can use our technical superiority to build superduper contamination suits. Then we can go in and have all that oil thereby saving our asses energy-wise for at least another 500 years. The remaining radiation mutated Iraqis will great us as Space Alien liberators! I hope we remember not to critisize the Dem09 plan before we give it 50 or 60 year chance. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/42 "2007-01-28T15:03:10Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] [Gee, that sounds familiar.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=402517)😉 Maliki supposedly has said that the _real_ problem is that Iraqi forces just don’t have enough equipment to do the job, and if they had it, they could take care of everything without any help from us Americans. Obviously, the thing we need to do, then is simply give the Iraqis a bunch of guns and ammo and head home. [/QUOTE] I think the important question we need to ask ourselves here…what’s Halliburton’s projected cut? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/43 "2007-01-28T15:48:52Z")
Given that Bush reportedly called the Iraq Study Group plan a “flaming turd” _without ever trying it_, I don’t know why one side of a debate should be held to a different standard than the other. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/44 "2007-01-28T15:50:13Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Given that Bush reportedly called the Iraq Study Group plan a “flaming turd” _without ever trying it_, I don’t know why one side of a debate should be held to a different standard than the other. [/QUOTE] Game/set/match. ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/45 "2007-01-28T16:02:55Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Given that Bush reportedly called the Iraq Study Group plan a “flaming turd” _without ever trying it_, I don’t know why one side of a debate should be held to a different standard than the other. [/QUOTE] He really said this? Can you provide a cite? Wow… I mean… “flaming turd”? That’s simply juvenile… and coming from a president? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/46 "2007-01-28T16:03:55Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Given that Bush reportedly called the Iraq Study Group plan a “flaming turd” _without ever trying it_, I don’t know why one side of a debate should be held to a different standard than the other. [/QUOTE] Only one man is the Decider, and that’s him. Kind of like Axis and Allies, where both sides start out not quite even. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/47 "2007-01-28T16:15:23Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Given that Bush reportedly called the Iraq Study Group plan a “flaming turd” _without ever trying it_, I don’t know why one side of a debate should be held to a different standard than the other. [/QUOTE] Because he’s the decider. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/48 "2007-01-28T16:22:01Z")
[QUOTE=Anduril] He really said this? Can you provide a cite? Wow… I mean… “flaming turd”? That’s simply juvenile… and coming from a president? Wow. [/QUOTE] > **[Condi Rice on Obama - Salon.com](https://www.salon.com/2008/11/05/condi_rice/)** > > I couldn't help enjoying Rice's genuine excitement about Barack Obama's victory. > [@](#): > > Nine days after Zelikow’s resignation the Iraq Study Group report was released. Informed correspondents of the Washington Post and New York Times related in conversation that Bush furiously called the report “a flaming turd,” but his colorful remark was not published. Perhaps it was apocryphal. Nonetheless, it conveyed the intensity of his hostile rejection. Still, Scowcroft and Baker, like Vladimir and Estragon in “Waiting for Godot,” waited for Rice. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/49 "2007-01-28T17:03:30Z")
So, in a fit of petulant spite, the Decider decides to show those Iraq Study Group bastards who’s in charge by doing the exact opposite of what they had the nerve to say he should do. That’s government by tantrum. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/50 "2007-01-28T17:05:34Z")
Now look here chaps. Obviously it looks as if Bush: - was wrong to invade Iraq - left too few troops in Afghanistan - searched for non-existent WMDs - disbanded the army leaving religious militias to commit mass murder - allowed corporations to extract huge sums for little work :smack: Never mind all that. 😕 Let’s look at history. Bush is using the same plan again. Consider WW1. The British attacked German machine gun + trench lines by charging across muddy fields. When this cost thousands of lives, they simply used the same plan again. And again. So that’s all right then. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/51 "2007-01-28T17:15:13Z")
[QUOTE=glee] Let’s look at history. Bush is using the same plan again. Consider WW1. The British attacked German machine gun + trench lines by charging across muddy fields. When this cost thousands of lives, they simply used the same plan again. And again. So that’s all right then. :eek: [/QUOTE] Well, they won **eventually**. . . but I forget why. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/52 "2007-01-28T17:19:56Z")
[QUOTE=glee] Let’s look at history. Bush is using the same plan again. Consider WW1. The British attacked German machine gun + trench lines by charging across muddy fields. When this cost thousands of lives, they simply used the same plan again. And again. So that’s all right then. :eek: [/QUOTE] ‘Hey, I’ve got an idea: lets walk slowly towards them again.’ ‘But we did that last time, and the time before that, and the time before that…’ ‘_Exactly!_ They’ll never expect it!’ ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/53 "2007-01-28T17:39:13Z")
[QUOTE=glee] So that’s all right then. :eek: [/QUOTE] Well, let’s see which we could use to attack that… 1. Germany is a Democracy right now, isn’t it? You know nothing of history. You’ve just proven we’re going to win. 2. We won. Obviously you know nothing of history. You’ve just proven we’re going to win. 3. You both suck, and are a flaming turd. Therefore you are wrong and Dubya is right. We’re going to win. Take your pick. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736/54 "2007-01-28T23:03:27Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] Well, let’s see which we could use to attack that… 1. Germany is a Democracy right now, isn’t it? You know nothing of history. You’ve just proven we’re going to win. 2. We won. Obviously you know nothing of history. You’ve just proven we’re going to win. 3. You both suck, and are a flaming turd. Therefore you are wrong and Dubya is right. We’re going to win. Take your pick. -Joe [/QUOTE] Please don’t give that nice Mr. Rove ideas… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-criticizing-the-plan-without-giving-it-a-chance-to-work/389736.md?page=2)