# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/382 "2021-05-25T18:34:06Z")
Oh yeah–the apology _was in this thread!_ > [@damuriajashi](#): > > I have to apologize. I got too worked up yesterday. But looking for your racist comments to respond to your request below, I realize I had attributed iiandyii’s comments to you. I apologize. I always always agreed with your perspectives on education and I was shocked to realize you were a racist. I am relieved to see that you are not what I mistakenly thought yesterday. I will be taking a break from these board. I am taking some of this shit too personally so unless someone @damuriajashi I will not respond. Once again, I am sorry, I am especially sorry for the deeply personal attacks about how you interact with your asian students. It was a low blow and totally undeserved. I responded: > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I appreciate the apology. Going forward, I hope you’ll take extra care in being sure you understand the positions of people before you reply to them. Damn, am I ever an optimist. DA, fuckin go back and review the text. You will not be graded on a curve. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/383 "2021-05-25T18:54:05Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > **iiandyiiii** , is this true? /shocked > > Because if it’s not true, **damuriajashi** is a _liar_ . There is a thread where iiandyiiii defends a policy that would change a merit based system to a lottery. The plan was projected to have the following effects on the racial demographics of the incoming class: Increase black admissions by 25 students from 1.72% to 7% black (from 8 students to 33 students); Increase hispanic admissions by 26 students from 2.6% to 8% (from 12 students to 38 students); Increase white admissions by 33 students from 18% to 25% (from 85 students to 118 students): Reduce asian admissions by 89 students from 73% to 54% (from 343 students to 254 students). So the only population that was reduced was asian and the largest increase in population was among whites. But he felt this reduction in overall minority presence was fine because the minorities he wanted to increase got more seats. He felt the reduction in the asian admissions was also aceptable because asians are doing fine so he was fine with asian kids losing out. In response to my pointing out the effect of making the school whiter at the expense of asian students, he responded: “That’s not the goal, and that might be a very slight negative, but the other benefits make this new policy superior to the status quo.” So yeah, he considers asian kids acceptable collateral damage in the pursuit of social justice. Then he went on to reassure me that this policy doesn’t discriminate against asians in any way whatsoever. This is the thread: > [@Selective Magnet School in Virginia moving towards a lottery system](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/selective-magnet-school-in-virginia-moving-towards-a-lottery-system/922347/139): > > The bad schools served the council estates and rough areas. My point was, that the biggest factor in how good a school is, is the students themselves. There can be an advantage in gathering the very best pupils together, but if you send different students to the school, it won’t be the same school anymore and they won’t get the same benefit. Maybe that’s the point, you want everyone to get the same mediocre education and not help kids reach their full potential? Except rich parents can opt their… ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/384 "2021-05-25T18:59:10Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Because he never did any of those things, you stupid asshole. Well I got the numbers wrong but he did say those things in the magnet school thread didn’t he? Several times. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/385 "2021-05-25T19:01:03Z")
Quote him, you fuckin liar. Don’t quote DemonTree, quote him saying “sacrificing [some number of] asians students to make room for [some number of] black (and [some number of] white) students was fine”. It’s truly amazing, how smart you think you are and how inept you are at discussing things. It’d be like my rolling across Wrigley stadium and stuffing Astroturf in my mouth while screaming “I AM THE MVP!!!” ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/386 "2021-05-25T19:05:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, it’s not true. > > Thanks to all the posters coming to my defense. It’s probably not necessary, but it’s much appreciated all the same. 🙂 Of course it’s true, you’re a racist, a very polite racist but a racist nonetheless. I think you said that you would prefer not to sacrifice the asian kids and you would prefer if white kids were not the largest beneficiary of the new plan but sacrificing 89 asian kids to benefit 25 black kids is worth it unless someone comes up with a plan that doesn’t require less asians and more whites. It seemed like the only thing that mattered was that it would lead to more blacks. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m wondering if, when you realize _yet again_ that you’re wrong about people, will you give us another abject apology Anything is possible but the time I made those horrible comments about you was the result of conflating you and iiandyiiii. He is the racist that I meant to direct my comments towards. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/387 "2021-05-25T19:06:39Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > There is a thread where iiandyiiii defends a policy that would change a merit based system to a lottery. This is false; the new system is not a lottery. > [@](#): > > But he felt this reduction in overall minority presence was fine Cite that I said it was “fine”? It’s not there, you liar. > [@](#): > > Then he went on to reassure me that this policy doesn’t discriminate against asians in any way whatsoever. You still haven’t made any argument that changing from the complicated current system to a GPA-based system discriminates against Asians. Asians will still dominate the school. Unless you think, somehow, that this school belongs by right to Asians, and must necessarily be almost all-Asian, and any change to this school that makes it not almost-all Asian is discriminatory. Is that what you think? ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/388 "2021-05-25T19:06:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > DA, fuckin go back and review the text. You will not be graded on a curve. I just did, perhaps you should do the same. Like i said back then. My mistake was attributing iiandyiii’s comments to you not the reaction I had to iiandyiii’s comments. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/389 "2021-05-25T19:07:28Z")
What you think I said is worth exactly nothing. You’re rock dumb and a liar. I’m just not sure it’s because you’re too lazy to actually look things up or because you’re intentionally trolling. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/390 "2021-05-25T19:12:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Quote him, you fuckin liar. Don’t quote DemonTree, quote him saying “sacrificing [some number of] asians students to make room for [some number of] black (and [some number of] white) students was fine”. So tell me how this statement is materially different than the ones i have made about his viewing asians as collateral damage? I used to respect you as an educator but now I see that you are more dedicated to your tribe than I thought. That thread is shut down so the quote function does not work but when i ask him: [quote]“It also increases white enrollment. Entirely at the expense of asian enrollment. Is that also a worthy goal? It really seems like you are indifferent to discrimination against asians if there is any benefit to be had for your preferred races. Even if a large part of the benefit of that discrimination will got to whites at the expense of asians.[/quote]”, he literally says:. > [@](#): > > That’s not the goal, and that might be a very slight negative, but the other benefits make this new policy superior to the status quo. How is this materially different from what i describe? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/391 "2021-05-25T19:21:17Z")
Uggh, apologies to everyone for somehow aiding in making this yet another DA trolling edumacation thread. No one should feel the need to respond to this thread-derailing nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/392 "2021-05-25T19:24:31Z")
In fairness, he is literally in the thread title. Him providing a live demonstration of his own dishonesty and general dipshittedness isn’t really off-topic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/393 "2021-05-25T19:26:02Z")
True enough! Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/394 "2021-05-25T19:30:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is false; the new system is not a lottery. It was still a lottery when you were defending it. The school system backed away but the lottery was the policy you were defending at the time. I mean how fucking dishonest can you be. You know that the quoted material is a part of the discussion where we are talking about the lottery but you pretend that you never defended the lottery now? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cite that I said it was “fine”? It’s not there, you liar. You said it was preferable to the status quo. So more than fine, it was an improvement as long as there were more black kids. You can call me liar all you want, you can call me racist all you want but I am presenting evidence of your racism and you have presented none of mine. And all the accusations of lying seem to be centered around the fact that I paraphrased you instead of directly quoted you. But now I am providing direct quotes so… in response to the fact that the biggest group to benefit would be whites then blacks and hispanics, and all at the expense of asians, you said: > [@](#): > > It’s a flawed solution to an even more flawed problem. This is better than the status quo, but still far from perfect. I’m for it because it’s improvement, but I’d support a solution that increased black/Hispanic enrollment without increasing white enrollment even more, most likely. In response to Demon Tree saying “Helping one minority at the expense of another is an obviously bad solution!” You responded: [quote]Still better, and less racist, than the status quo.[/quote] Is there some other way to interpret this willingness to trade out a bunch of asians for black kids and even MORE white kids? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You still haven’t made any argument that changing from the complicated current system to a GPA-based system discriminates against Asians I can start a new debate thread so we don’t have to distract ourselves from calling me a racist and a liar despite no evidence of racism and my lying being the grave sin of reasonable paraphrasing. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/395 "2021-05-25T19:32:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > In fairness, he is literally in the thread title. Him providing a live demonstration of his own dishonesty and general dipshittedness isn’t really off-topic. If you don’t think his words are reasonbly described by my description of his words before I went to look up his exact words, then fine. What do you think of his actual words? Don’t they display a disturbing indifference to the cost of his social justice to asian kids? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/396 "2021-05-25T19:33:04Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > If you don’t think his words are reasonbly described by my description of his words before I went to look up his exact words, then fine. What do you think of his actual words? Don’t they display a disturbing indifference to the cost of his social justice to asian kids? What do I think? I think go fuck yourself, that’s what I think. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/397 "2021-05-25T19:35:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Uggh, apologies to everyone for somehow aiding in making this yet another DA trolling edumacation thread. No one should feel the need to respond to this thread-derailing nonsense. You got caught. I think my description of your attitude towards asian kids is not an unreasonable representation of what you said. YMMV. Now would you care to point out how i am racist? Because everyone seems to be demanding exact quotes for my claims. Perhaps someone can return the favor and provide some quotes to back up the notion that i am a racist. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/398 "2021-05-25T19:37:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > What do I think? > > I think go fuck yourself, that’s what I think. So you don’t really care if someone in your tribe is racist as long as it is a permissible sort of racism. That kind of makes you complicit in his racism, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/399 "2021-05-25T19:39:37Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > It was still a lottery when you were defending it. This is false; it was never a “lottery”. There was always a GPA requirement. > [@](#): > > You said it was preferable to the status quo. So more than fine, it was an improvement as long as there were more black kids. This is false; “preferable to the status quo” does not imply “fine”. That’s not how English works. Jim Crow was an improvement from the status quo of slavery, but it was not by any means “fine”. > [@](#): > > I can start a new debate thread so we don’t have to distract ourselves from calling me a racist and a liar despite no evidence of racism and my lying being the grave sin of reasonable paraphrasing. You are a liar (and rock-dumb), but do you have a cite that I called you a racist? Or is this just more standard issue DA bullshit? You know, making shit up because you’re too stupid and too lazy to actually look things up and back up your arguments? So far you’ve utterly failed to back up the things you’ve said about me. The few cites you’ve provided don’t support your claims at all – you’re just too unintelligent to actually see nuance and complexity in disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/400 "2021-05-25T19:51:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is false; it was never a “lottery”. There was always a GPA requirement. The GPA requirement lets in 90% of applicants. It was a lottery. and the purpose of the lottery was to increase the black and hispanic population but the largest increase went to white kids. You found this preferable to the status quo. You would have preferred if nothing went to the white kids but at least the black and hispanic kids got something so you considered it an improvement. You generally waved away the cost to asian kids by saying that the asians were doing just fine. As if we were all fungible or something. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “preferable to the status quo” does not imply “fine” That is a shit ton of pettifogery. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So far you’ve utterly failed to back up the things you’ve said about me. You can keep telling yourself that but I think we will see far fewer 'attaboys about your attitude towards the cost asians bear to satisfy your social justice. You’re a likable guy, and you’re very polite generally so people don’t want to believe this stuff about you. So I should have known I couldn’t just paraphrase your words I should have gone and gotten exact quotes but now that I have, I think I at least make a reasonable case for my accusations. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/401 "2021-05-25T19:53:22Z")
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