# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/602 "2021-05-26T21:53:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > But DA didn’t attack me for a “low blow” - he said I hid behind relatives, and other bullshit. I didn’t reply to the posts about hiding behind relatives, only the one where **MrDibble** asked for a quote of you using minority family for credibility. > [@I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-racist-bigoted-posters-damuriajashi-demontree/928300/505): > > So you can quote him doing this, right? Unfortunately I did see iiandyiiii leave this low blow, ~Max ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/603 "2021-05-26T21:54:31Z")
But that wasn’t about credibility - at worst, according to you, it was a “low blow”. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/604 "2021-05-26T21:59:09Z")
If remarks attacking one’s personal acquaintances (or lack thereof) do not target his credibility, I know nothing of rhetoric. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/605 "2021-05-26T22:01:34Z")
Bullshit. Boosting my credibility would have been “this is why my opinion matters more than yours”. That’s not at all what I did. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/606 "2021-05-26T22:09:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Boosting my credibility would have been “this is why my opinion matters more than yours”. It can also be “this is why your opinion doesn’t matter as much as mine”, and that’s what I read into your posts: ‘your opinion doesn’t matter as much as mine because I have Black/Hispanic friends and family and you don’t’. The fallacy makes it a low blow. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/607 "2021-05-26T22:12:21Z")
That’s a change from your low blow stuff. If it was a low blow, at worst (by your own characterization) it was “you don’t care as much about this issue because (personal ad hominem blah blah blah)”. That says nothing about credibility - only about one’s personal feelings. I think you’re just being stubborn here. You shouldn’t have stepped in the middle when one poster was spreading bullshit about me without backing it up. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/608 "2021-05-26T22:14:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That says nothing about credibility. When you take time to point out someone has no skin in the game during a debate or other argument, it is implied _therefore your opinion is less worthy of consideration_. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/609 "2021-05-26T22:15:15Z")
I didn’t even do that, though. I just mentioned my “skin in the game”, and implicitly asked about his. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/610 "2021-05-26T22:22:12Z")
Stupid argument, @Max_S. I’m annoyed that you jumped in to, at worst, point out a tiny mistake I might have made, while ignoring DA’s other lies about me, ignoring that he made the same kinds of posts, etc. Doesn’t matter and not worth spending any more effort about. Maybe don’t jump into flame wars in the middle without taking stock of the entire thing. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/611 "2021-05-26T22:22:39Z")
IMO you did. I can’t make you agree with me and I certainly don’t know what you intended better than you do. > “You’re satisfied with a great school with virtually no black and Hispanic kids. I’m not. That’s the difference. Maybe it’s because you don’t have black or Hispanic kids in your friends or family and I do.” I should mention, I have no skin in _this_ argument and am comfortable leaving it at that. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/612 "2021-05-26T22:24:21Z")
@iiandyiiii, clearly your mistake was in giving @damuriajashi too much credit. The reason DA doesn’t care is because he’s racist as fuck. I have no trouble in presuming that he would still be racist as fuck even if he had friends of varying races/ethnicities adversely affected by the policies at issue. Which I guess is kind of the point. But then, in that context, is it really a “low blow” to suggest that a racist like DA might be less racist if he had people he cared about who were affected? I think not. You can’t fault @iiandyiiii for gut-punching someone (a “low blow”) who really ought to have been kicked square in the crotch. A metaphorical gut-punch is better than DA deserved. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/613 "2021-05-26T22:28:43Z")
Another lesson learned! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/614 "2021-05-26T22:35:03Z")
> [@CardboardBoxx](#): > > Who is this Noone person that keeps explaining things? You know, good old Noone! Rhymes with “Moonie”. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/615 "2021-05-26T22:39:02Z")
It’s Devin Noones. I don’t find his explanations mooving at all. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/616 "2021-05-26T22:51:24Z")
Look look look, on the hierarchy of assholes @Damuri_Ajashi is way up higher on the list than @iiandyiiii, but Andy is a character straight from Michael Che’s new show. The one in the first episode who gets trapped with Micheal in the elevator. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/617 "2021-05-26T22:51:50Z")
The only reason I stepped in on the family thing is because it is hard to quote from locked topics and I had just read that section (I had been trying to get him to substantiate his accusation of you being racist). And although I understand _some_ of **damuriajashi** ’s frustration, a lot of it is his own doing, and most of this pitting is justified. No hard feelings, ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/618 "2021-05-26T22:52:35Z")
Haven’t seen it. What did he do? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/619 "2021-05-26T22:54:39Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I should mention, I have no skin in _this_ argument and am comfortable leaving it at that. Then just shut the fuck up, Max. You are wrong in your interpretation of iiandyiiii’s posts, you are wrong that all opinions have equal value, and your habit of jumping into threads as the self-appointed independent arbitrator is tedious. Contribute when you have your own argument to make, and let others make theirs. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/620 "2021-05-26T22:57:21Z")
Thank you, and yes, no hard feelings. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/621 "2021-05-27T01:15:18Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Resolved: Anyone that doesn’t participate in the dogpile is immediately attacked by assholes like Mr. Dibble I’d like to say I didn’t participate in the dogpile. I considered myself the guy at the other table in the bar who kept hearing the table argument escalate and said you might want to calm down, step outside, and think about what you were doing. Your proverbial response was ‘Nah, they’re assholes.’ and Mr.Dibble 's was ‘Hey, you heard what he’s been saying in the _bar_ same as us.’ In no way did I feel attacked. Max\_S of course seems to be the one you’re addressing with the quoted line, but I figured, since you say you haven’t lied, you would want a chance to correct yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=32)