# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/622 "2021-05-27T01:57:13Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Resolved: LHOD is hanging out with the wrong crowd… Fuck that, man. The only way this is true is that I’m still giving you the time of day, and I’m only doing so because I’m hoping you’ll say, “Oh, look at the time, it’s time to fuck off!” and then, well, _fuck off_. Because if giving you the time of day leads to your leaving the boards, we’ll be spared your sporadic “Oh shit I see a thread about race and I’d better fuckin come in and write a dozen posts in a row about how everyone is really racist against Asians because reasons reasons reasons” which derail every thread you enter with their wanton stupidity. And that’s a time of day worth giving. Otherwise, I’m pleased to keep company with Gigo, who busts all the garbage coming out of you, and iiandyiiii, who has more ethics in one eye than you have in your entire body, and MrDibble, who brings more to the board every day than you ever will, and the others that you insultingly and grossly call a “tribe”, as though folks who independently disagree with you are some sort of uncivilized riffraff unable to engage in intellectual conversations. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/623 "2021-05-27T09:15:18Z")
JFK I was not arguing about the meaning of theory! I was questioning whether the tenets of CRT were actually provable or whether they could be adapted to fit any evidence a la Freudian Psychoanalysis. You know, like that paper you linked to did. Next time I will try and ignore the idiots who are so determined to misinterpet every damn thing I say and derail the thread with pointless arguments and nonsensical analogies. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/624 "2021-05-27T09:41:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > DemonTree, if you want me to treat you like a child, I will. But I expect that you didn’t lie when you registered for this site and said you were at least 13 years old. I expect you to act like a fuckin adult, not like a kid. If you had an ounce of decency you’d have apologised for the abuse you gave me when you saw that I was right all along. But instead you just insult me again. You’re scum, you’re nothing but a bully who gets off on ganging up on and insulting a poster you dislike. I pity any kids you teach, and I would quit my job and homeschool before sending my daughter to a school you taught at. I can just imagine you making fun of a kid in front of the whole class if they didn’t understand something or dared to disagree with you. All I wanted was a debate, but that is no longer possible on the Dope thanks to people like you driving away everyone who had something vaguely interesting to say. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/625 "2021-05-27T10:17:41Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > If you had an ounce of decency you’d have apologised for the abuse you gave me when you saw that I was right all along. But instead you just insult me again. You’re scum, you’re nothing but a bully who gets off on ganging up on and insulting a poster you dislike. FDR you weren’t right all along. That’s been explained to you six ways from Sunday, so I don’t see much percentage in explaining it one more time; but once people made fun of you, you fuckin quintupled down with your petulant WHY ARE YOU BEING MEEEEEEAN I’M RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT bullshit. **You were wrong**. If you’d only accept how you were wrong, you could modify your question to make it a reasonable one. As for having a white supremacist TERF call me scum? I think I can live with that. > [@](#): > > All I wanted was a debate, but that is no longer possible on the Dope thanks to people like you driving away everyone who had something vaguely interesting to say. On the one hand, I’m not the reason why you can’t have a good debate on the Dope. You won’t be able to have a good debate wherever you go. On the other hand, if believing that I’m the problem is what it takes for you to fuck off, grr arg I’m a monster. > [@](#): > > I pity any kids you teach, and I would quit my job and homeschool before sending my daughter to a school you taught at. I can just imagine you making fun of a kid in front of the whole class if they didn’t understand something or dared to disagree with you. You probably think this is gonna hurt me. This is one written evaluation of my teaching I’ve gotten in the last 24 hours, some halfwit racist TERF fantasizing about homeschooling her kid instead of letting me teach them. The other written evaluation I got was from a student: “Thank you so much for coming and teaching me how to make hexaflexagons. It was really fun. I will miss you next year when I go to middle school.You are a great AIG and enrichment teacher.” I get the first kind of evaluation from shitty assholes I meet online and trounce in arguments. I get the second kind from people I actually teach. The first kind never end up hurting me as much as the losers making them hope. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/626 "2021-05-27T10:32:35Z")
Nope, I was right too, as I said you did crow about being right by basing your “victory” on one line in one paper, that is the way of many creationists and climate change deniers that up to this day also base their misunderstandings the same way. (And by “coincidence” most are the same conservatives that try to ban things like Critical Race Theory, I wonder why. /s) It is also wrong to declare that if one tenet is criticized that therefore all the others can be considered then to be the same. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/627 "2021-05-27T10:33:14Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I can just imagine you making fun of a kid in front of the whole class I can imagine you in a Hogwarts uniform marching at a Feminists for Transwomen march, but that’s just as much of an absolute fantasy as what you wrote here ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/628 "2021-05-27T11:41:46Z")
> [@Another Critical Race Theory thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-critical-race-theory-thread/941389/710): > > because changing them means going against the group’s will. It’s hard, scary work to do that. Nah, going against the group’s will is easy, they’re just being petulant. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/629 "2021-05-27T12:08:19Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Nah, going against the group’s will is easy, they’re just being petulant. I know you think that this does something besides reinforce your own fussy and undeserved self-pity. I just can’t figure out what you think it’s doing. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/630 "2021-05-27T12:19:13Z")
No, GIGO. I can explain it to you here. If Kimstu, LHoD and K9 were right, that paper wouldn’t even exist. The paper did exactly what those 3 stooges kept telling me was impossible (and/or stupid or crazy): it examined the evidence for one of the ‘basic tenets’ of CRT. That’s why I was ‘crowing’. It actually is very hard and scary to go against the will of the group, so it was a relief to have independent confirmation that I was right. This is one of those things you don’t really understand unless you have experienced it. Here’s an analogy for you: remember those maths problems where most of the marks are for using the correct method, with only a couple for getting the right answer at the end? Imagine you are in a classroom trying to solve one of the those, and you think you know what method to use, but all the other students disagree with you and patronisingly tell you you are wrong. Still, their arguments are clearly bullshit, so you continue with your method while they laugh at you. Since you were distracted by the argument, you never get to the final answer. But when the teacher goes through the problem at the end of the class, he uses the same method you did. You are relieved because even though you never finished the problem, it shows the other students were wrong to laugh at you. ¿Me entiende? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/631 "2021-05-27T12:19:35Z")
Pointing out your smug, self righteous hypocrisy, bully boy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/632 "2021-05-27T12:21:52Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > The paper did exactly what those 3 stooges kept telling me was impossible (and/or stupid or crazy): it examined the evidence for one of the ‘basic tenets’ of CRT. LBJ nobody said this was impossible, doofus. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/633 "2021-05-27T12:23:04Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Since you were distracted by the argument, you never get to the final answer. But when the teacher goes through the problem at the end of the class, he uses the same method you did. You are relieved because even though you never finished the problem, it shows the other students were wrong to laugh at you. > > ¿Me entiende? That is nice. You are still wrong, that is what you don’t get. And so the laugh is more justified. They might had been wrong on the approach, but the bottom line is that you are grasping at straws because in the end you came here not saying that, but that you were still correct by saying it that the tenets (plural) were getting that treatment when it was a tenet (singular). I have seen that before, the intention of the contrarian is to drop what was learned and continue later only with the general dismissal (that as noted once again, conservatives here are doing their Orwellian talking points in the effort to ban the whole). That the posters might had been wrong on the way they explained does not take away what I told you. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/634 "2021-05-27T12:46:14Z")
GHWB, what a tiresome TERF ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/635 "2021-05-27T14:32:26Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > GHWB, what a tiresome TERF JFK, you’re not kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/636 "2021-05-27T14:34:42Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Next time I will try and ignore Please do. You can include me in your ignoring as well. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/637 "2021-05-27T14:35:20Z")
WJC, ok, I give up, what’s with the presidential initials? Is it because the TERF used JFK at the beginning of a statement up there? I guess she meant to use JFC? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/638 "2021-05-27T14:39:24Z")
MVB, yeah, I think that’s what started it ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/639 "2021-05-27T14:44:36Z")
BHO, OK, thanks. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing a new SDMB meme or something! ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/640 "2021-05-27T14:50:36Z")
Not that my opinion matters, but this is The Pit so… I think bringing the fact that someone has relatives or close friends that are part of a maligned minority into a general fact based discussion involving said minority is not usually particularly useful. It reminds be of a Tedx talk a woman gave about women. A very common refrain among people trying to get sympathy or empathy towards women is to state that they are someone’s (i.e. a man’s) sister, mother, daughter etc. The talker questioned why we have to even make these associations to humanize women. Women are already human. It doesn’t matter if they are or are not some man’s relative. They are people. They demand just as much dignity, respect, and support as men without having to resort to appeals to personal feelings or paternalism. While it’s not bad for a man to care about issue involving girls, the fact they have to explain or justify their caring by mentioning their daughter feels a little shitty to me. While it might be common and expected doesn’t make it great IMO. A person who really cares about Alzheimers just for it’s own sake might be seen as, at best, a little odd, but if it’s because their parent suffers (or suffered) from it then that’s totally a sufficient and acceptable explanation for pretty much anyone. A common question asked to Noam Chomsky is why he cares so much about social issues compared to linguistics. He shouldn’t need a better reason other than common humanity to care about them, but apparently that is not enough for some people. Many people feel, at best, suspicious about pure altruism because it reflects badly on them and they get defensive since they can’t or don’t see themselves doing it. However, they often CAN see themselves doing something if it’s to help or honor themselves or someone they care(d) about. I guess since humanity is generally shitty that people require (deeply) personal reasons to (really) care about anything in particular I should not be surprised. People generally only care about things that directly affect, or have affected, themselves or their close family and friends, or even worse, people are not ALLOWED to be seen to care as much otherwise, as in, it’s less socially acceptable. Not that I’m personally much better or anything. We all suck, myself more than most. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/641 "2021-05-27T14:56:28Z")
You realize you did this by adding a link that loudly proclaims you a disingenuous racist/bigot, right? Talk about self-pwnage … hilarious. 🤣 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=33)