# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/642 "2021-05-27T15:06:44Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > I think bringing the fact that someone has relatives or close friends that are part of a maligned minority into a general fact based discussion involving said minority is not usually particularly useful. Speaking as a minority, I’m more than happy for any of my White relatives to use references to me in any argument to attack White supremacy. It doesn’t take away from my dignity or respect in any way, regardless of what TedX woman thinks. It’s not about a need to humanize minorities, it’s about exposing the _de_humanization done by racists. The kind of people who will happily dismiss the truths of entire ethnic groups as “anecdote”. And BTW, **fuck** “fact based” in its Dis-Enlightenment-widened arse. Discussions of racism aren’t fucking physics exercises. They’re about telling human stories and owning our own narratives, and excluding talking about real people from that discussion is fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/643 "2021-05-27T16:10:20Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > I think bringing the fact that someone has relatives or close friends that are part of a maligned minority into a general fact based discussion involving said minority is not usually particularly useful. It isn’t particularly useful if it’s just a way to say “see, I care too!” like your examples of politicians bringing up their wives/daughters. But it can be useful as a way to indicate that you have some level of understanding of the topic at hand. If a conversation is about how to discipline teenagers, I’m going to pay more attention to someone who says they have a teenager - their opinion will carry more weight than someone who has never raised a kid. If the conversation is about the challenges faced by Black students in school, I’m going to listen more to my friends with a Black child than one with no direct experience. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/644 "2021-05-27T16:59:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > And BTW, **fuck** “fact based” in its Dis-Enlightenment-widened arse. I’m fine with (truthful) narratives but if “fact based” is a slur, “alternative facts” are just as good as anything in this post-truth world. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/645 "2021-05-27T17:13:48Z")
> [@yarblek](#): > > It reminds be of a Tedx talk a woman gave about women. A very common refrain among people trying to get sympathy or empathy towards women is to state that they are someone’s (i.e. a man’s) sister, mother, daughter etc. The talker questioned why we have to even make these associations to humanize women. Women are already human. It doesn’t matter if they are or are not some man’s relative. They are people. They demand just as much dignity, respect, and support as men without having to resort to appeals to personal feelings or paternalism. > > While it’s not bad for a man to care about issue involving girls, the fact they have to explain or justify their caring by mentioning their daughter feels a little shitty to me. While it might be common and expected doesn’t make it great IMO. Just FYI, I’ve seen that argument used about men as well. “That is someone’s son/brother/father/etc.” It’s not a gender-based thing. There was even a [song](https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/822454/Pat+Benatar/Somebody%27s+Baby) based around that idea. It could be argued that the rhetorical device is used more often about women and that might have something to say about misogyny and/or patriarchal ideas in society, but it’s certainly not exclusive to women. Often when I see it referred to men it’s to humanize them, particularly someone with a criminal past (especially a violent one). This isn’t meant to be a MRM plea (shudder) but just pointing out the flaw in the original argument. Not only is it not a situation exclusive to women, but it’s one I see used very often for men. (Sorry about the hijack.) ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/646 "2021-05-27T17:21:31Z")
What’s GHWB? Google only refers to the Bush the first. ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/647 "2021-05-27T17:24:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Often when I see it referred to men it’s to humanize them, particularly someone with a criminal past (especially a violent one). This is a good point. I had not thought of that. Certainly criminals, especially in the US (out of developed countries), need more humanizing. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/648 "2021-05-27T17:25:33Z")
I _think_ that is the idea. Rather than JFC (Jesus Fucking Christ), someone said JFK, a common reference to a past president. Then @Left_Hand_of_Dorkness made a curse out of LBJ. So, running with that, GHWB is referring to a president as well, as a curse. HCH, you get it now? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/649 "2021-05-27T17:33:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, running with that, GHWB is referring to a president as well, as a curse. George Herbert Walker Bush indeed! I will now think of the airport in Queens as the Jesus Fucking Khrist International Airport. It’s sort of catchy. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/650 "2021-05-27T17:44:11Z")
Goddam Hood-winker Warmonger Bum? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/651 "2021-05-27T18:24:44Z")
If you want to go with what his mother called him, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/652 "2021-05-27T18:26:03Z")
Yeah, I was mildly amused by the “JFK” curse, so I used FDR for “For Da Record”, and then used a nonsensical LBJ on another post. I thought the LBJ might be taking the joke too far, but then y’all picked it up and started a whole relay race with it, which, cool beans. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/653 "2021-05-27T18:39:56Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I thought the LBJ might be taking the joke too far, but then y’all picked it up and started a whole relay race with it, which, cool beans. I like it. I hope it stays a thing. WGH! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/654 "2021-05-27T18:44:09Z")
I think you are witnessing the birth of a new age. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/655 "2021-05-27T19:00:38Z")
Yeah, I remember that. It was really pathetic, especially in in depth descriptions of the stuff he used to do in order to get his next crack fix. I sincerely hope he’s better and not doing that raunchy sex stuff anymore, it was disgusting. If I could find that thread I’d post a link. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/656 "2021-05-28T00:12:27Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I think you are witnessing the birth of a new age. This is the dawning of the AOA. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/657 "2021-05-28T00:18:30Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Are you the white dude that uses his black in laws as rhetorical human shields and try to be offended on behalf of your non-white relatives (who probably think you are a racist cracker)? > [@damuriajashi](#): > > suspect they sigh and forgive you when you part company every time they see you. “At least that racist white cracker means well” [Moderating] The use of “cracker” here to refer disparagingly to another poster is inappropriate, even in the Pit. I’ve previously granted a lot of latitude to this and similar terms, but have recently been convinced to moderate them more sharply. Since this was something that I had previously allowed, even if only tacitly, I’m only making this a mod note, not a warning. While I’m at it, I’m also going to call out the interrogation of the racial structure of another poster’s family as crossing a line, and just being really gross in general. No warning issued on that count, either, but that stops now [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/658 "2021-05-28T00:19:13Z")
Sure, you mean the dawn of the AOC? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/659 "2021-05-28T00:24:10Z")
When Pelosi’s speaker of the House And Kamala aligns with Joe Then peace will guide the Senate And love will steer AO This is the dawning of the age of Ocasio Age of Ocasio Ocasio Ocasio! ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/660 "2021-05-28T02:04:18Z")
Sweet! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/661 "2021-05-28T02:35:22Z")
Okay, I know you don’t get a second shot, but I’m taking a second shot, because I’ve got the vowel sounds a lot better: _When the Nunes Twitter’s run by cows And stupid TERFs online are barred Then peace will guide the Senate And AOC will rule so hard_ etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=34)