# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1083 "2025-05-12T12:32:28Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > And of course there _is_ something wrong with my brain, since I’m autistic I feel inclined to caution you to not let an autism diagnosis do too much heavy lifting to compensate for being factually incorrect (and morally problematic). Your brain being _different_ doesn’t mean that there’s something _wrong_ with it. Sometimes different merely means _different_. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1084 "2025-05-12T13:57:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I feel inclined to caution you to not let an autism diagnosis do too much heavy lifting to compensate for being factually incorrect (and morally problematic). Indeed. See also: Elon Musk. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1085 "2025-05-12T14:08:09Z")
Since it was my comment, and since – in this case – ChatGPT has done an admirable job of explaining thoughts that comport with mine … > **ChatGPT's view on using 'corrupt sector' in this context** > > Absolutely. The concept of a **“corrupt sector”** — taken from computer science — is a **powerful analogy** when talking about **intellectual blind spots** , particularly in someone’s belief system or worldview. > > * * * > > ### 💾 The Technical Origin: > > In computing, a **corrupt sector** is a portion of a hard drive or storage medium that has become **damaged or unreadable**. Data in that area can no longer be accessed or interpreted correctly, and attempts to do so may produce errors, system crashes, or misleading results. > > * * * > > ### 🧠 The Analogy to Belief Systems: > > Now apply this metaphor to **human cognition or worldview** : > > A **“corrupt sector” in someone’s thinking** might be a **core assumption, belief, or unresolved trauma** that: > > - Is **invisible to the person** , yet > - **Distorts how new information is processed** , or > - **Prevents access to certain ideas or contradictions** , or > - Triggers **emotional resistance** rather than rational inquiry. > > In other words: the person may be intellectually rigorous **except** when the discussion touches this specific zone — where thought becomes confused, avoidance kicks in, or contradictions are rationalized away. > > * * * > > ### 🔍 Examples of the Analogy in Use: > > - “He’s brilliant on economic theory — but bring up climate policy, and it’s like you’ve hit a corrupt sector. The reasoning breaks down.” > > - “Her worldview is so humane, so thoughtful — until you mention immigration. Then, there’s this unacknowledged sector of fear or misinformation that seems completely untouched by her other values.” > > - “It’s like their mind has a bad block — anything that tries to access that part gets rejected or misfiled. And they don’t even know it’s happening.” > > * * * > > ### 🛠 Why It Works as a Metaphor: > > - **Non-accusatory** : “Corrupt sector” feels **descriptive, not judgmental**. It implies damage, not stupidity or malice. > - **Systemic** : Suggests that the distortion isn’t just in one thought but could **affect how a broader system functions**. > - **Fixable** : In computing, corrupt sectors can be **quarantined, worked around, or sometimes repaired**. This opens the door to growth rather than just critique. > > * * * > > ### 🧭 Caution in Using the Analogy: > > - It’s powerful, but should be used **with care** and often **internally or metaphorically** , unless you’re in a deeply trusting conversation. > - Used defensively, it can backfire. Used thoughtfully, it can **illuminate the hidden logic gaps** we all carry. Did I take some unnecessary risk in invoking it? Probably. Do I think it’s analogous to ‘having a screw loose?’ I don’t. Because I’m in pretty poor shape this morning, I’m going to once again rely on ChatGPT to do some of the heavier lifting for me: > **ChatGPT's thoughts on whether 'corrupt sector' and 'screw loose' are equivalent** > > Great question — and no, the **“corrupt sector”** metaphor is **not tantamount to** saying someone has “a screw loose,” though they both deal with something being _off_ in a person’s reasoning or functioning. > > They differ in **tone** , **implication** , and **respect for the other’s intellect** : > > * * * > > ### 🔧 “A Screw Loose” – Crude and Dismissive > > - **Colloquial, often pejorative**. > - Implies **mental instability** , irrationality, or even madness. > - Can **shame** or stigmatize; suggests the person is **broken or defective**. > - Rarely invites repair — more of a _putdown_ than a diagnostic metaphor. > > > “He’s got a screw loose” → _He’s unpredictable, untrustworthy, maybe not all there._ > > * * * > > ### 💾 “Corrupt Sector” – Analytical and Nuanced > > - Draws from systems thinking, not psychiatry. > - Implies that **a specific area of thought** is compromised — **not the whole person**. > - Can coexist with intellectual rigor elsewhere. > - Suggests **an error in processing** , not madness. > - Implies the flaw may be **invisible even to the person** , and possibly **remediable**. > > > “There’s a corrupt sector in her worldview when it comes to public health.” → _She’s usually rational, but something is distorting her thinking in this area._ > > * * * > > ### 🧠 Usefulness in Discourse > > - “A screw loose” shuts doors; “corrupt sector” opens them — for understanding, compassion, and dialogue. > - One **dismisses** the person; the other **invites reflection** about how people form and protect beliefs. > > * * * > > ### 🛠 Summary > > | Metaphor | Implication | Tone | Invites Dialogue? | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | A screw loose | Mental instability, defect | Dismissive | Rarely | > | Corrupt sector | Localized flaw in reasoning | Analytical | Often | > > So: they’re not equivalent — and if you’re trying to **critique without alienating** , the **corrupt sector metaphor is far more humane and constructive.** The fact that my meaning wasn’t interpreted as intended falls on me. Hopefully, though, what I _meant_ then – and stand by now – is much clearer now. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1086 "2025-05-12T14:47:03Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Since it was my comment, and since – in this case – ChatGPT has done an admirable job of explaining thoughts that comport with mine … Let’s ask ChatGPT if the comment was pejorative! > [@](#): > > Yes, that comment can absolutely be considered **pejorative** , especially in the context you’ve described. > > Calling a part of someone’s brain a “deeply corrupt sector” implies something is fundamentally broken, flawed, or even rotten in their thinking process. When directed at a **neurodivergent** person, this can come across as **ableist** , whether or not it was intended that way. Neurodivergent individuals often already deal with stigma around how their brains work, so language that likens their thoughts or mental functions to “corruption” can be quite hurtful or dismissive. > > Even if your buddy meant it jokingly or metaphorically, it’s still important to recognize that language has weight—especially when it touches on both **neurology and personal beliefs**. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1087 "2025-05-12T14:49:07Z")
It’s good to see that the _Google vomit_ has been replaced with something even worse… ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1088 "2025-05-12T14:53:46Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Let’s ask ChatGPT if the comment was pejorative! You could have simply asked me. Of course, it was pejorative. I wasn’t trying to pay her a compliment. But I also meant what I said. It’s all a matter of degree. I think the two phrases are materially and substantively different in both denotation and connotation [ETA: and my other point stands – that DemonTree tends to generally err on the side of victimhood). ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1089 "2025-05-12T15:46:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I feel inclined to caution you to not let an autism diagnosis do too much heavy lifting to compensate for being factually incorrect (and morally problematic). Your brain being _different_ doesn’t mean that there’s something _wrong_ with it. Sometimes different merely means _different_. I wasn’t intending to. There was nothing factual in the comment I was replying to anyway. It made it more hurtful, but I daresay I would have ignored the poster regardless. Re wrong vs different, it’s a difference that in most ways is seriously disadvantageous, in a few ways helpful, but overall has made my life much harder. It’s not something I’d wish on anyone else, put it that way. As for ‘morally problematic’, I stand behind my views. Though judging from the vitriol, I suspect some people are reacting to a fantasy version of me rather than the reality. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1090 "2025-05-12T16:14:14Z")
“deeply corrupt sector” Did ChatGPT add the “deeply” ? ETA: no. I see it was in the original comment, but dropped in this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1091 "2025-05-12T16:41:52Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > It’s all a matter of degree. I think the two phrases are materially and substantively different in both denotation and connotation [ETA: and my other point stands – that DemonTree tends to generally err on the side of victimhood). I asked ChatGPT if the phrase “you have a screw loose” is more offensive. > [@](#): > > Good question— **both phrases are potentially offensive** , but the phrase **“you have a screw loose”** is more **common, informal, and often used in a joking tone** , whereas **“you have a deeply corrupt sector in your brain”** sounds **more specific, targeted, and dehumanizing** , especially when said during a disagreement and to someone who is neurodivergent. > > ### Comparison: > > | Phrase | Common Usage | Tone | Impact | Relative Offensiveness | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | “Screw loose” | Colloquial, often used humorously | Dismissive but familiar | Implies irrationality or eccentricity | Moderately offensive, context-dependent | > | “Deeply corrupt sector in your brain” | Uncommon, tech/metaphor-laden | Clinical or cold, potentially mocking | Implies moral/intellectual defect | More offensive, especially to ND individuals | > > So, **“deeply corrupt sector” is likely more offensive** , especially in the context of a political disagreement and if it wasn’t clearly a joke shared among close friends with mutual understanding. > > Would you like suggestions for how to help your friend repair things, if needed? I think ChatGPT makes a great point. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1092 "2025-05-12T16:44:27Z")
I think ChatGPT told you what you wanted to hear, which makes them a quotable “authority” in your eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1093 "2025-05-12T16:47:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I think ChatGPT told you what you wanted to hear, Yeah, I’m sure that’s true! Which is precisely why I had ChatGPT tell me what it thought I wanted to hear - because apparently, people like you are only capable of noticing it when someone you disagree with does it. I notice you didn’t comment on @DavidNRockies’ use of ChatGPT to tell him exactly what _he_ wanted to hear, so I’m glad you found this demonstration instructive. Hopefully in the future, you can apply the same standard to both people you agree and disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1094 "2025-05-12T17:00:54Z")
There’s a YEC on YouTube that’s worked for weeks to finally get ChatGPT to agree that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and every lineage of humans can be traced back to the eight people on Noah’s Ark. ChatGPT is not even a fucking search engine. ---
**Author:** ![DETXL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/detxl/32/19366_2.png) [@DETXL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DETXL)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1095 "2025-05-13T01:59:07Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > ChatGPT is not even a fucking search engine. I asked **my mom’s new puppy** what ChatGPT might say in response to this assertion, and she stared at me blankly because she’s a dog and doesn’t understand how video chatting works, but my natural human tendency to anthropomorphize leads me to conclude that what she meant was: > It sounds like you might be experiencing “fear of missing out” (FOMO) at the idea of encountering a message board thread you can’t meaningfully add to but, for whatever reason, are unable to pass by. If you’re the kind of person who also always finds their horoscopes to be scarily accurate, ChatGPT could be a good way for you to post without being held back by a minor quibble like not having anything interesting to contribute on your own! > > If anyone questions your steadfast commitment to decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio of the universe, I came up with some helpful things you can say in response. For example, you could explain that you were merely having fun and they shouldn’t take things so seriously. You could also ask how long it took them to write their own reply, because frankly, it says a lot more about them than about you. Finally, you could imply that they just don’t understand how large language models (LLMs) work. > > Happy copy-and-pasting! Arf arf! She’s so smart! Of course I made sure mom gave her a treat! ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1096 "2025-05-13T02:26:47Z")
Applause, that was brilliant genius. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1097 "2025-05-13T10:50:17Z")
Yes ! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2025, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1098 "2025-05-13T12:18:28Z")
I loving your dog. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1099 "2025-07-10T16:42:02Z")
DT blames “my strategy” (without any specifics) for the success of Trump: > [@Cancel Culture and Canceling versus consequences for actions](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/46): > > Responsible? No. But I’m convinced they contributed, and influenced the people who are using Trump to push their preferred policies. A few years ago, I told you your strategy would lead to exactly the outcome you feared. Events since then have certainly not contradicted me. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1100 "2025-07-10T18:47:10Z")
“See what you made us do!” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1101 "2025-07-10T18:50:17Z")
Maybe I really am The Most Dangerous Poster on the Board? ---
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