# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1143 "2025-07-13T16:39:36Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Yes they are in it for the bigotry. For many Trump voters, that bigotry is misogyny. They were not going to vote for a woman to be president. To be a Trump voters means that you have to be okay with bigotry. To be okay with bigotry is to be a bigot. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1144 "2025-07-13T17:52:42Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I find criticism of “Some of my best friends are Jews” in a book from 1936 From my early childhood, this is where I first heard the phrase. But in my teen years in the 60s and going forward, the “best friend” was always Black. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1145 "2025-07-13T17:52:52Z")
I canvased for Harris for a couple of weeks. And i talked to a LOT of voters. And most of them were at least somewhat inclined to vote for Harris, because that was the point. But data is always imperfect, and i spoke with a bunch of Trump supporters, too. And yes, a lot were motivated by racism, or sexism, or some other bigotry. But i absolutely spoke with people who were unhappy about inflation and the general state of the economy, and planned to vote for Trump because, “i was doing better under Trump”. Were those people ignorant? Yeah, but i also spoke with a guy who was outraged that Harris had raised his (county) property taxes. A certain fraction of voters are ignorant of various things. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1146 "2025-07-14T00:52:05Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > To be a Trump voters means that you have to be okay with bigotry. To be okay with bigotry is to be a bigot. Plus, the fundamental problem is that we can’t read minds, we can only judge actions. If somebody takes actions that support bigotry, that is _functionally identical_ to being a “real bigot”. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter to the victims if their tormentors and killers “weren’t _really_ bigoted” towards them. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1147 "2025-07-14T02:10:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Plus, the fundamental problem is that we can’t read minds, we can only judge actions. If somebody takes actions that support bigotry, that is _functionally identical_ to being a “real bigot”. That’s the basic idea behind Critical Race Theory; evaluate the results on minorities regardless of intent. If policies disadvantage minorities, they are discrimination, regardless of who put them in place and their reasons for doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1148 "2025-07-14T02:45:35Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That’s the basic idea behind Critical Race Theory; evaluate the results on minorities regardless of intent. If policies disadvantage minorities, they are discrimination, regardless of who put them in place and their reasons for doing so. Makes sense; the effects are what matter. Plus if the intent is discrimination then stopping it is good for that reason alone, and if it _isn’t_ then it’s malfunctioning. I mean if a machine chops your hand off, you want it to _not do that._ Whether it’s _supposed_ to chop your hand off is beside the point. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1149 "2025-07-14T15:01:56Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Someday, I’m going to get around to editing the Wiki page for the Disney movie “The Monkey’s Uncle” because it’s got the plot wrong, which irritates me (I’ll need to find a proper reference to, of course). Pretty sure that plot summaries for most old movies don’t really need references; the movie itself serves as the reference. @Atamasama is welcome to correct me if I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1150 "2025-07-14T15:43:47Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Pretty sure that plot summaries for most old movies don’t really need references; the movie itself serves as the reference. That seems right. And if people quibble over the details that gets worked out through discussion. Anything that a viewer would learn just by watching the movie doesn’t need a reference. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1151 "2025-07-14T15:47:22Z")
Thanks. Wasn’t sure about the “original research” rules. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1152 "2025-07-14T16:18:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Anything that a viewer would learn just by watching the movie doesn’t need a reference. There are exceptions, of course; anything that has yet to be released or is otherwise unavailable for watching, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1153 "2025-07-14T16:19:12Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Wasn’t sure about the “original research” rules. If you were to draw conclusions or make assumptions based on what’s in the film, that would be original research. Anything that’s explicitly on the screen should be uncontroversial. While this page is just an essay, and anyone can write an essay on the site (I even have one), any essay that survives scrutiny should be acceptable to the community. (As I learned from firsthand experience as at one point I needed to heavily revise my essay.) But here is a guide for writing the plot of a fictional work: > **[Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_write_a_plot_summary)** > > An encyclopedia article about a work of fiction typically includes, but should never be limited to, a summary of the plot. This will give context to the sourced commentary that should also be present. The plot summary should be thorough yet concise, distilling a large amount of information into a brief and accessible format. > A plot summary is not a recap. It should not cover every scene or every moment of a story. A summary is not meant to reproduce the experience of reading or watching the w... And the relevant part: > Citations may or may not appear in a plot summary. The work of fiction itself is the primary source, and doesn’t usually need to be cited for simple plot details. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1154 "2025-07-14T16:23:18Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > There are exceptions, of course; anything that has yet to be released or is otherwise unavailable for watching, for example. Yeah, though “unavailable” gets tricky. It’s an issue sometimes when things go out of print. An unreleased film would need a citation I’m sure. Usually an article for an unreleased film will have a pretty sparse plot if it has one at all, since plot details have the potential to change right up until release. You can’t even trust trailers as they often show scenes that get cut later. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1155 "2025-07-15T22:29:41Z")
DT straight up lies about me: > [@Cancel Culture and Canceling versus consequences for actions](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/499): > > Endorsing boycotts and doxxing: (‘they’ referring to “boycotts, doxxing, and other actions aimed at censoring ideas Andy disapproves of, and punishing anyone who tries to speak about them”, and no, we do not agree here.) On ‘ordinary people’ having the power to censor: I’m not going to continue to talk in circles with you. If you are just doing to keep saying you don’t understand, and denying what you’ve repeatedly said yourself, then we are done here. No, I do not, and have absolutely never said that anything/anyone I disapprove of should be boycotted/doxxed. ---
**Author:** ![Frilly\_Heck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/90ced4/32.png) [@Frilly\_Heck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frilly_Heck)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1156 "2025-07-15T22:44:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, I do not, and have absolutely never said that anything/anyone I disapprove of should be boycotted/doxxed. She really, really wants things to be simple when they are really, really not. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1157 "2025-07-15T23:19:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, I do not, and have absolutely never said that anything/anyone I disapprove of should be boycotted/doxxed. Your position was made abundantly clear. Her reframing of said position is 100% bullshit. ETA: She seems to be taking the (apparently successful, these days) tactic of “repeat bullshit until it hopefully becomes true”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1158 "2025-07-16T02:10:19Z")
In part by scrupulously neglecting to document or cite her bullshit claims. [The bullshit earlier in this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/intersectionality-and-the-oppression-pyramid/1018016/307) about > [@DemonTree](#): > > I think people on your side are illiberal because they are trying to change the law and take away rights women have fought for in the past, while preventing them from even meeting to talk about what the impact might be, pointing out likely harms or unfairness, or advocating for the interests of cis women (and in a few cases men) when they are in conflict with those of trans people. was especially eyeroll. No, support for trans rights is not “taking away” cisgender women’s rights, nor is it preventing cisgender women or anybody else from meeting or from advocating for women’s rights. DemonTree may know of a couple of fringe-behavior examples that could potentially be twisted into such an interpretation, but she’s not about to reveal their inadequacy by actually linking to them when instead she can just hyperbolically bullshit them into sweeping accusations about “people on your side”. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1159 "2025-07-16T04:16:19Z")
I’ve never looked at the thread in question, but that sounds similar to the arguments you’d hear from the “All Lives Matter” people. When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1160 "2025-07-16T06:35:04Z")
I find it hilarious how she has to dance around openly talking about transgender issues too much when you know it’s actually _all_ she wants to talk about and all this freeze peach guff is actually about that. But she’s soooo comically leery of ending up like monstro and you\_with\_the\_face. It’s very amusing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1161 "2025-07-16T06:54:36Z")
The issue she really, really, really, tries to not show her hand on is Muslim immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1162 "2025-07-16T07:36:54Z")
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