# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1203 "2025-08-11T21:25:25Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > you thought that Trump’s plan for fixing inflation would work better than Biden’s or Harris’s, then yes, you’re a bigot, because Trump’s only plan for fixing inflation was bigotry. In fact, bigotry is the only plan Trump has for anything. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t really make tins clearer for me. How could Trump’s plan for dealing with inflation be bigotry? _Immigration?_ Sure, I get that. But inflation? What am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1204 "2025-08-11T21:35:22Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > Sure, I get that. But inflation? What am I missing? His only plan was tariffs (which can only **increase** inflation but that’s another topic). It’s not hard to see how having tariffs against certain nations could be motivated by bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1205 "2025-08-11T21:38:17Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > His only plan was tariffs (which can only **increase** inflation but that’s another topic). It’s not hard to see how having tariffs against certain nations could be motivated by bigotry. That’s true, but he never advertised his plan as such and, in practice, he doesn’t seem to have applied it as such either. Instead, it looks to me as though he’s levied his tariffs in a typically haphazard fashion, without targeting any specific ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1206 "2025-08-11T21:39:56Z")
Which “pasty white” countries got hit hardest? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1207 "2025-08-11T21:43:11Z")
Without looking it up further, probably Switzerland at about 38%. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1208 "2025-08-11T21:44:50Z")
This is from 5 days ago: > **[Trump tariffs list: See all the tariffs by country](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypxnnyg7jo)** > > A table showing all the new US tariffs announced by President Trump on Friday The two highest hit are India and Brazil, both at 50%. The next two are Switzerland then Canada, at 39% and 35%. China and South Africa are next at 30% each, followed by Mexico at 25%. Vietnam and Taiwan are both at 20%. Every other nation is under 20%. ETA: Oops, I was only looking at the first page, there are 6 more pages. That site isn’t easy to browse the way they did the chart. Okay, this site is better: > **[See the full list of U.S. tariffs in place around the world](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/07/the-full-list-of-us-tariffs-in-place-around-the-world.html)** > > Tariffs on dozens of key U.S. trading partners came into effect Thursday. I’m just going to list the top 9. | Country | Tariff | | --- | --- | | Brazil | 50% | | India | 50% | | Syria | 41% | | Laos | 40% | | Myanmar (Burma) | 40% | | Switzerland | 39% | | Canada | 35% | | Iraq | 35% | | Serbia | 35% | After Serbia there are a bunch at 30% then it goes down from there. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1209 "2025-08-11T21:48:20Z")
Ok, Switzerland is a surprise. Even more than Mexico, eh? ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1210 "2025-08-11T21:49:12Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Which “pasty white” countries got hit hardest? As I understand it, his tariffs are worked out using a “reciprocal” formula based on the trade deficit the US has with each country. The more a country buys from America relative to what it sells, the lower the tariff. Some “pasty white” countries that got hit pretty hard are: Switzerland - 32% tariff. Liechtenstein - 37% tariff. Serbia - 38% tariff. There are some non-white nations with higher tariffs but also many non-white nations with considerably lower ones. These figures are from a list put together in April, so these percentages may have changed since then. Edit: Ignore me. The above posts contain more up-to-date info. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1211 "2025-08-11T21:51:13Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Ok, Switzerland is a surprise. Supposedly it has to do with gold. > **[Trump tariffs: Did Swiss gold refiners fuel the crisis?](https://www.dw.com/en/trump-tariffs-did-swiss-gold-refiners-fuel-the-crisis/a-73554953)** > > Many were baffled when Donald Trump slapped a steep 39% tariff on imports from Switzerland. The Swiss aren't known for flooding the US with cheap goods, but their outsize role in gold refining is distorting trade data. > In the case of [Switzerland](https://www.dw.com/en/switzerland/t-19068697), Trump balked at the Alpine nation’s $48-billion (€41.2-billion) trade deficit, which he said showed Swiss firms were “taking advantage” of the US. For that and the country’s apparent unwillingness to address the imbalance, he put a much higher [tariff](https://www.dw.com/en/trump-tariffs/t-71496505) on Swiss imports than the [European Union’s](https://www.dw.com/en/european-union-eu/t-17440066) 15%. He probably also thinks that the US is getting ripped off because the cheese they get from Switzerland is full of holes. “American cheese doesn’t have holes in it; gold old American cheese, the world knows it’s the best.” ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1212 "2025-08-11T23:55:38Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s possible that someone is so genuinely clueless that they don’t know about Trump’s bigotry. In that case, “bigot” might not be the right word for that voter. Bull fucking shit. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1213 "2025-08-12T00:20:33Z")
I have actually been told that I wasn’t voting for a white sheet and hood. I was really just voting for the man underneath it. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1214 "2025-08-12T00:21:30Z")
I think the right word in that case would be “idiot”. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1215 "2025-08-12T00:21:57Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > On a site devoted to fighting ignorance no less. Including willful ignorance. 🙉🙊🙈 ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1216 "2025-08-12T00:23:41Z")
Don’t assume malice where stupidity will suffice? Honestly I think you are underestimating the ignorance of many voters. I think a lot of voters are profoundly ignorant about the people and issues they are voting on, and many of them are profoundly stupid and not just lazy. I suspect a lot of people have gotten all their political info from something someone they know has said, Facebook, etc., even if they are not getting it from Fox News directly. If they are that ignorant and stupid, a helping of racism wouldn’t surprise me either, but that doesn’t mean its their main motivation in voting for Trump. Did they effectively vote to further entrench for institional racism and general bigotry - absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1217 "2025-08-12T00:41:59Z")
I think the appropriate words are “enabler of racists by complacent whites who deep down aren’t really that bothered by racism, but pretend they are.” ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1218 "2025-08-12T00:59:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > What’s the best term for people who leap in to defend bigots with lies and bullshit just so they can play holier than thou? Soiled knight ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1219 "2025-08-12T01:02:11Z")
Self-serving bigots with no guts. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1220 "2025-08-12T02:45:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > He probably also thinks that the US is getting ripped off because the cheese they get from Switzerland is full of holes. > > “American cheese doesn’t have holes in it; gold old American cheese, the world knows it’s the best.” Maybe he’s mad because Switzerland didn’t stand by Germany and Austria in World War II. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1221 "2025-08-12T02:48:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Maybe he’s mad because Switzerland didn’t stand by Germany and Austria in World War II. Trump would never > **[Trump said Hitler 'did some good things' and wanted generals like the Nazis,...](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-said-hitler-did-some-good-things-and-wanted-generals-like-the-nazis-former-chief-of-staff-kelly-claims)** > > John Kelly's new warnings came just two weeks before Election Day, as former President Donald Trump seeks a second term vowing to dramatically expand his use of the military at home and suggesting he would use force to go after Americans he considers... but he doesn’t > **[Donald Trump's history with Adolf Hitler and his Nazi writings: ANALYSIS](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-history-adolf-hitler-nazi-writings-analysis/story?id=105810745)** > > Trump once again broke new ground, becoming the first leading presidential candidate to find it necessary to insist he had never read "Mein Kampf." Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/1222 "2025-08-12T02:50:20Z")
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