# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/141 "2021-03-06T02:20:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > For a radical feminist I can see how a person may feel that they’ve spent their whole life fighting for the rights of women against men who are the oppressors, and now there are men pretending to be women, completely coopting a woman’s identity and struggle. Not only are women subservient to men, they don’t even get the exclusive right to be women anymore. How do they feel about trans men? Is it the same hatred or do the women “pretending to be men” get a pass for some reason? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/142 "2021-03-06T02:25:07Z")
The TERF position is usually that trans men are just women who hate being women so much because misogyny is sooooo bad that no woman in her right mind would want such a fate. And they always regret transitioning later. That’s what they say. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/143 "2021-03-06T02:35:27Z")
Wow…! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/144 "2021-03-06T11:02:19Z")
Hanging’s too good for some people… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/145 "2021-03-06T11:25:01Z")
At the most extreme ends of TERF-dom, there are women arguing that all transwomen are actively part of a plot by men to eliminate the concept of women’s rights, and all transmen are the unwitting victims of a plot by men to eliminate the concept of lesbians. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/146 "2021-03-06T18:56:22Z")
So they really think that some men willingly change their gender to female in order to undermine the women’s rights movement? Hmmm…this has turned into an informative and interesting discussion. Given that we are in the pit, I suppose I should be telling someone to fuck off or something. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/147 "2021-03-06T19:11:02Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > , I suppose I should be telling someone to fuck off or something. I suspect by having a _rational_ discussion of this community, we are telling less rational members of the board to go fuck off by extention. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/148 "2021-03-06T19:53:53Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > So they really think that some men willingly change their gender to female in order to undermine the women’s rights movement? Well, not just that. They also change their gender so that they can peep on women in locker rooms, and to compete against them in sports. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/149 "2021-03-06T21:37:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Well, not just that. They also change their gender so that they can peep on women in locker rooms, and to compete against them in sports. Ah, well, that makes more sense! [sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/150 "2021-03-07T00:33:23Z")
It’s really quite a simple mindset: Women = good Men = bad Men changing to women = really men = bad Women changing to men = traitors = bad ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/151 "2021-03-07T00:39:42Z")
i think ms.tree has a topic ban in her future … or should have one anyways ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/152 "2021-03-07T01:12:52Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > So they really think that some men willingly change their gender to female in order to undermine the women’s rights movement? Often they’ll do a variation on this (which is what **DemonTree** tends to use). They’ll argue there maybe are some men who legitimately think they are actually women, but that there will also _obviously_ be men who would fake it for those purposes. It doesn’t matter when we point out that, if they wanted to do that, they could have already, since no one tends to check. And there are no tells with trans women that couldn’t also apply to cis women. (Granted, in sports they do check. But then that also eliminates the potential problem). In short, the evidence is against what they are scared of actually happening. It’s a fairly typical bigoted pattern—see also being scared gay people are out to convert them (or are actually pedophiles) and assuming black people are criminals (or out to rape white women). They have to find a way to argue that the minority is actually a threat to the majority to justify mistreatment. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/153 "2021-03-16T09:29:46Z")
Bump because the clueless idiot [is whitesplaining to me why PoC are more likely leave this board](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/normal-is-the-new-abnormal-forbidden-adjectives/937554/249) - and \*_surprise_\* it’s ideological nonconformity. OK, no actual surprises there. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/154 "2021-03-16T09:31:36Z")
^Like! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/155 "2021-03-16T10:00:36Z")
So much for not being racist, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/156 "2021-03-16T11:04:35Z")
And I see we’re down to the part of a thread where she just hits out at all and sundry in desperation. > [@Normal is the new abnormal -- forbidden adjectives](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/normal-is-the-new-abnormal-forbidden-adjectives/937554/254): > > “There are two primary theories. The one I agree with, and this one line caricature.” I’d give you an F for this argument. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/157 "2021-03-16T11:19:19Z")
Is this cowboy speak for I want to fuck you or a casual death threat? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/158 "2021-03-16T11:21:05Z")
WTF? He makes a typical response to a groaner pun, and this is what you decide to post? Have you not drunk enough coffee yet, or have you drunk too much bathtub gin already? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/159 "2021-03-16T11:27:19Z")
Neither. It’s [a quote](https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/fred_allen_107445) ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/160 "2021-03-16T11:34:54Z")
Bull shit, in the context of this thread I call it foul. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300.md?page=9)