# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 675
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/675 "2021-06-07T12:49:01Z")
As I’ve said in other posts, this thread wasn’t intended to just for the two specific posters I’ve mentioned in the title. I’ve encountered another disingenuous post on the topic from someone else. **I’m not yet sure the poster is bigoted** , but I am restricted from responding in that thread. > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/17): > > What transphobia is present in the concept of biological sex being something distinct from gender identity? That seems to be entirely uncontroversial and yet somehow worthy of condemnation and labelling as “hate speech”. That’s not what you argued. This is what you said: > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/13): > > I think that members of a biological sex group are well within their rights to request areas that are specific to that biological sex. Biological females have the right to organise around those characteristics. This is you arguing that it should be okay for trans women to be discriminated against and excluded from groups made up of “biological women,” not merely asserting that that there is a difference between sex and gender identity. It is disingenuous to pretend you argued one thing when you actually argued another. Even worse, it’s exactly the tactic that gender critical feminists use: they pretend they are just arguing that “sex is real,” but the reality is that they are arguing for discrimination. These are two different arguments. Remember, those are the subject. Stonewall was attacking gender critical feminists. They may say they’re only arguing that “sex is real,” but what they actually argue is that trans women don’t count as women, and that trans men are just brainwashed women. They exclude both trans women and anyone who looks male from their spaces. They only want ciswomen there. That is what Stonewall likened to antisemitism. We have members of a majority (cis women) asserting that a minority who has never harmed them (trans women) is some sort of threat, and wanting to be “safe” by excluding them. That’s not okay, any more than having a “Gentiles only” group would be okay as a “safe space” from Jewish people. The debate is not whether or not sex and gender identity are the same thing. It is whether or not it is acceptable to discriminate against women for being trans. Trying to pretend one is the same thing as the other is disingenuous. Please do not continue making that argument. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300)._