# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 681
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/681 "2021-06-07T14:30:14Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > This is you arguing that it should be okay for trans women to be discriminated against and excluded from groups made up of “biological women,” not merely asserting that that there is a difference between sex and gender identity. > > I said both things and I stand by both things, no pretence or disingenuous intent on my part at all. They were two comments in two different posts and referring to two different levels of commentary that attracted the same level of response and condemnation from Stonewall. No. This is being disingenuous again. These were not completely unconnected posts, but a reply to a poster who was talking about your previous post. Here is the entire conversation thread. > **Click to read quoted posts** > > > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/13): > > > > I think that members of a biological sex group are well within their rights to request areas that are specific to that biological sex. Biological females have the right to organise around those characteristics. > > > > An organisation that thinks merely making such a request or supporting the right for those who do, is “hate speech” or deserving the label “transphobe” or that invoke an antisemitism comparison is overreacting to a extent that, yes, will probably be damaging to their reputation in the long run. > > > > Stonewall have done great things in the past but they appear to be painting themselves into a bit of an ideological corner here. > > > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/14): > > > > > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/13): > > > > > > Stonewall have done great things in the past but they appear to be painting themselves into a bit of an ideological corner here. > > > > They appear in the past to have been pretty awful on trans issues. It’s hardly painting themselves into an ideological corner to align themselves with their namesakes. If they want to be supportive of transphobia, maybe they should rename themselves. > > > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/17): > > > > > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/14): > > > > > > If they want to be supportive of transphobia, maybe they should rename themselves. > > > > What transphobia is present in the concept of biological sex being something distinct from gender identity? That seems to be entirely uncontroversial and yet somehow worthy of condemnation and labelling as “hate speech”. You pretended that LHOD had said that “the concept of biological sex being something distinct from gender identity” is transphobic. He never said anything like that. He replied to your post, which was saying discrimination against trans women is okay in “biological female” spaces. You are, as you were told in the thread (and in my post), wrong about what Stonewall said. They attacked gender critical feminists, aka trans exclusionary radical feminists or TERFs, for being transphobic, and said that their transphobia was equivalent to antisemitism. At no point has anyone claimed that “the concept of biological sex being something distinct from gender identity” is transphobic. By arguing that, you were creating a strawman—a classic disingenuous argument tactic. Neither is anyone actually arguing that “biological women” need a space separate from “biological men.” You don’t see any of these groups arguing that both cis women **and trans men** should be able to exclude **cis men and** trans women. As I pointed out ,GCFs exclude trans men as well, because they refuse to accept that they are men in any sense. GCFs are themselves being disingenuous when they claim their argument is about “sex is real” or “wanting a safe space for biological women.” They were condemned for what they actually do. The KKK of transphobia were condemned. They tried disingenuous arguments, and were condemned again. There is nothing wrong with that. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300)._