# I Pit damuriajashi and DemonTree

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 18, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300 "2020-12-18T00:49:58Z")\
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**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-damuriajashi-and-demontree/928300/738 "2021-06-09T00:44:35Z")

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> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#):
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> No, it isn’t a _reductio ad absurdum_ seeing as I’m not talking about the hypothetical extension of a postion to an absurd logical conclusion, I’m talking about what actually does happen.

Yes, it is. You are dead wrong about the nature of your own argument. You explicitly wrote, “If not, the terms end up meaningless”, which is in fact an appeal to absurdity. Hypothetical or not? Irrelevant.

> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#):
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> Which is a direct accusation against me based on what evidence exactly?

Based on your own words! Your whole argument is that Stonewall’s position leads to the absurd conclusion that _you_ are transphobic.

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> > > [@Stonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/13):
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> > > I think that members of a biological sex group are well within their rights to request areas that are specific to that biological sex. Biological females have the right to organise around those characteristics.
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> > > An organisation that thinks merely making such a request or supporting the right for those who do, is “hate speech” or deserving the label “transphobe” or that invoke an antisemitism comparison is overreacting to a extent that, yes, will probably be damaging to their reputation in the long run.
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> > > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#):
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> > > Stonewall’s push for _simple self-identification_ as being sufficient for access to any single-sex area seems something that it should be possible to argue against without being labelled a transphobe or being compared to an anti-semite. If not, well the terms end up meaningless.

Let’s break down your main argument (links lead to the above quoted posts):

1. [I am a person who thinks X](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/13)
2. [Stonewall thinks a person who thinks X is transphobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech/943702/13) (not true, btw)
3. therefore, Stonewall thinks I am transphobic

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1. [to think a person is transphobic when they are not is to make ‘transphobic’ meaningless](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-racist-bigoted-posters-damuriajashi-demontree/928300/679)
2. I am a person
3. therefore, to think I am transphobic when I am not transphobic is to make ‘transphobic’ meaningless

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1. to think I am transphobic when I am not transphobic is to make ‘transphobic’ meaningless (see 6.)
2. **I am not transphobic**
3. therefore, to think I am transphobic is to make ‘transphobic’ meaningless

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1. to make ‘transphobic’ meaningless is to damage one’s reputation
2. to think I am transphobic is to make ‘transphobic’ meaningless (see 9.)
3. therefore, to think I am transphobic is to damage one’s reputation

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#### MAIN ARGUMENT

1. Stonewall thinks I am transphobic (see 3.)
2. to think I am transphobic is to damage one’s reputation (see 12.)
3. therefore, Stonewall is damaging their reputation

~Max

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