I pit Disney's replacing American workers with foreign

Disney may have historically paid more than the going rate. Disney may be laying off people who are more qualified (or differently qualified) than they need for the kind of work that currently needs to be done. This may be a poor decision on Disney’s part and they are shooting themselves in the foot. Disney may be a bunch of evil corporate mercenaries. There are many possibilities.

It’s not like it’s unusual for more experienced, highly paid workers to be laid off and replaced with less experienced U.S. workers, for that matter.

If only these people had studied STEM in college, then they wouldn’t be in this fix. :rolleyes:

What is STEM?

Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics.

Indeed, the subjects to do seem to be popular.
BTW a law was passed in Arkansas requiring High Schools to offer an elective in computer programming.
Not that it will help.

Unless it was in their contracts when they took the job. The default is “what is in your contract.”

TBH I find this a strange decision - Disney is a tourist place and tourists at the Disney resorts expect the full American experience. A hotdog seller with a non-US accent would probably go unnoticed but a Chinese-accented Mickey would not. Even if the parents held back from commenting the little kids wouldn’t, and even little kids (from about 3 up) would notice.

It’s relatively rare for private sector U.S. workers to have a contract at all. Most can be fired at will for any reason that wouldn’t constitute illegal discrimination (and even then, they would have to sue or file a complaint with the relevant government agency to get any kind of recourse). I’ve never had an employment contract in my life, and I’ve been working since 1984 or so.

The bottom line, foreign IT workers are cheaper.

Even US-based H1B visa workers are cheaper - I’ve heard that employers can be pretty abusive to them because they know the H1B workers can’t pack up and go to another employer.

Of course, Disney’s trying to keep their parks affordable for all of us (not!), so they have to save costs any way they can, right?

Free trade is all about American businesses making more profits by decreasing their production costs while selling their products here at the same (per perhaps slightly lower) price as when they were produced here. It’s great for their bottom line.

Of course, all the people here who no longer have jobs can’t afford to buy those products any more (or visit Disney for that matter).

The countries where consumer goods are produced are not necessarily helped either - sweatshop conditions, horrible pollution, etc.

This isn’t a free trade issue though. It’s an immigration issue.

Indeed.

Sure they can. Any other employer can file an H-1B petition for them (provided the job meets the required criteria), and they are only subject to the annual quota for the initial H-1B. It happens all the time.

Thats why I advocated scrapping the program outright. If those individuals are available, companies have no reason to change existing policies. India and China have had long enough on the tit, time for em to stand on their own two feet and develop their own middle classes and employ their own folks. Asian boys should not be doing the jobs of American boys.

Declan

Just out of curiosity, do you think there should be ANY professional work visas whatsoever? If so, what do you think the criteria should be? Right now there are not a lot of other options for, say, a Ph.D.-level research scientist just beginning a career (unless he/she is Canadian or Mexican and therefore eligible for a TN).

I haven’t seen much complaining about H-1B visas for anyone but Indian IT workers (quite a number of whom are actually U.S.-educated, by the way). What’s up with that?

I equate training your own replacement as building your own gas chamber.

Cite that a significant number of the people hired by the major companies scarfing up the visas are US educated? I’ve very few Indian student with US BS degrees. Those with US MS degrees can often get jobs directly from school and get sponsored by their companies. About 90% of the people I work with started this way.

What’s up with it is that the H1Bs are sold as a way of getting scarce talent in, while most of the visas are gotten by companies who supply non-scarce, but cheap, talent.

You can only train them the procedures. Competence is not taught. I keep a lot if central skills to myself, especially those I brought in. I’m not duty-bound to impart those. But if you dont really have much to wow them with, dont expect to retire. They’ll replace you with a sexy twenty-something who’s willing to work longer hours for less.

I will see what I can dig up in the way of stats, but anecdotally, I’ve probably prepared 1,000 H-1B visa petitions in my life, and a large chunk of those have been for people with U.S. degrees. I haven’t done them for any of the top half-dozen of H-1B visa users (those companies probably have in-house legal staff for that), and none for any large Indian IT consulting companies. But of the petitions my employer filed this year, almost all had U.S. degrees. In fact, 20,000 of the quota is specifically set aside for people with grad degrees from U.S. institutions.

The people who you are talking about who “get jobs directly from school and get sponsored by their companies” are counted in the total, too. And they are the vast majority of people I’ve prepared H-1B petitions for in my life. And yes, some of those are Indian. Indians go to college and grad school in the U.S., too.

ETA: here are some general facts and stats on the program, from a nonpartisan source.

Ah, here it is. Take a peek - well over half of H-1B holders have graduate degrees, and most are under age 35.

I still haven’t found anything showing what proportion have U.S. degrees, but given that 20,000 of the 85,000 overall quota for quota-subject employers (which means universities don’t count) is specifically set aside for people with U.S. graduate degrees, not even counting U.S. undergrad degrees, that’s a significant chunk right there.

You just don’t see so many newspaper articles ranting about those people.

From the same report: “USCIS does not maintain separate data regarding whether the degree was earned in the United States or abroad.” So I don’t know that anyone else would have the info to do so, either, other than the 20,000 reserved for people with U.S. graduate degrees.