# I pit DrDeth **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971 "2021-02-28T19:52:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2045 "2024-09-17T08:21:32Z")
And now, unsurprisingly, he’s getting pissy about being corrected on a matter of fact. Seriously, facts, logic, and honesty are all foreign languges to him. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2046 "2024-09-17T08:30:03Z")
So, now you had to waste TWO or FOUR posts on this. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2047 "2024-09-17T12:52:49Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > TWO or FOUR Two or four or six or even eight. It’s Dr D we’re here to berate! ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2048 "2024-09-17T23:33:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Over in IMHO in the taxation without representation thread, he’s now asserting aliens in the United States have representation in Congress. If by “aliens” he means “noncitizens,” then arguably they do. I’ve seen similar logic… somewhere in law school. Maybe it was Voting and Election Law. It’s part of the logic behind assigning electors and representatives based on population, rather than merely elegible voting population or even citizens: congressional representatives are supposed to represent not only the people who voted for them in their district, but also the people who didn’t, and the people who can’t. Some in the latter category are citizens (minor children, for example, or people who have been disenfranchised for criminal history) and others aren’t. They represent all who reside in their districts. Whether they are actually responsive to them is a different question with a (very) different answer. If anything, the concept of representation even absent the right to vote was _more_ common in the founders’ era, not less. Recall that in those days, even some white dudes who were citizens and not criminals couldn’t vote if they didn’t own (typically real estate) property. So… yeah. Gotta agree with DrD on this one. Though it pains me. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2049 "2024-09-18T02:50:03Z")
Can’t agree with you there. It’s rather obvious that in American politics that “representation” means “voted for”. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2050 "2024-09-18T03:24:23Z")
Okay… so let’s consider the logical implications of that when it comes to “no taxation without representation” as a bumper sticker. Does that mean the Republicans are justified in insurrection if a Democrat wins? Because they’re being taxed without representation? Just because DrD is so frequently wrong doesn’t mean he’s never right. Broken clocks and whatnot… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2051 "2024-09-18T03:44:29Z")
No. They got to vote. Just because they lost the vote does not mean they have lost representation. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2052 "2024-09-18T04:50:36Z")
Ok. What about a 16 year old working a fast food job. Taxation without representation? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2053 "2024-09-18T05:02:32Z")
If you live in a congressional district you have representation. Whether you avail yourself of it, voted for or against, not at all. Ignore the fact there is a government, it’s still there. Even if you’re a real deadbeat and don’t pay your taxes someone is representing the place you live. The representation is not for “you” alone. It’s for all the people and the district. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2054 "2024-09-18T05:16:17Z")
On the one hand, it’s semantics. Representation can mean both things: “actual representation—that is, voting people into office to represent you—and virtual representation, in which people are represented by officials they did not play a role in electing” (source in link below). But this is also a subject of great debate, so no one is going to win the argument. There have been court cases, all the way to SCOTUS, that concern what it means to have representation. **Monty** , it’s unfair to say **DrDumb** is unequivocally _wrong_ on this, but it’s fair to disagree with his interpretation, The (long) article below isn’t solely on this topic, but it dives deeper into the topic than you probably wanted to go. > **[Representation for Those Who Cannot Vote | Published in Houston Law Review](https://houstonlawreview.org/article/117174-representation-for-those-who-cannot-vote)** > > By Joseph Fishkin. 61 Hous. L. Rev. 755 (2024) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2055 "2024-09-18T13:50:40Z")
^I endorse this point of view (by **TroutMan** —haven’t read the article). ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2056 "2024-09-18T15:14:56Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > What about a 16 year old working a fast food job. “I called my Congressman and he said quote, I’d like to help you, kid, but you’re too young to vote” (the case of Cochran vs The Summertime Blues, 1958) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2057 "2024-09-20T15:30:54Z")
Today I saw two threads that he totally hijacked to enter into a political rant. Is it his goal to shit in every thread on the Dope? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2058 "2024-09-20T15:45:59Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Is it his goal to shit in every thread on the Dope? I don’t think it’s a goal, I think it’s a compulsive thing he does automatically because he’s an asshat and a dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2059 "2024-09-20T15:48:20Z")
I guess that’s better than being an assshit and a diphat. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2060 "2024-09-20T15:49:11Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > assshit [![](https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Hey-Assbutt-Supernatural.gif) ](https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Hey-Assbutt-Supernatural.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2061 "2024-09-24T04:26:40Z")
I don’t even no what to say about this or if anyone would care, but compare DD’s posts in this thread: > [@Kamala Harris' recent comments on guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-recent-comments-on-guns/1007591): > > As it’s apparently a bit specific for the [general Kamala Harris Election Runup thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-presidential-election-no-more-on-guns/1004571/1422). I’ll start one here. Recently VP Harris said this about being a gun owner: Vice President Kamala Harris told a visibly shocked Oprah Winfrey on Thursday that an intruder who breaks into her home would be “getting shot, sorry.” With a laugh, she followed up: “I probably shouldn’t have said that. My staff will deal with it later.” So I do actually have a problem with that attitude towards gun ownership (I h… To this thread from way back in the long-forgotten days of 2019: > [@Kamala owns a gun "for personal safety"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465): > > According to [this report:](https://www.apnews.com/3f3fdedfe3e94f6383ac90734819e97b) Various Dopers have, in the past, argued that guns don’t actually enhance one’s personal safety and are actually a detriment to it. What do you make of Kamala owning a gun “for personal safety”? Do you think she’s unaware of the statistics? Is she stupid? Do you think she’s lying about actually owning a gun? Something else? Here’s an example… 2024 > [@Kamala Harris' recent comments on guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-harris-recent-comments-on-guns/1007591/69): > > This thread is about Harris- a law enforcement professional with daily death threats, keeping a gun secured in her HOME. And, by relation, about keeping a gun at home. 2019 > [@Kamala owns a gun "for personal safety"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/39): > > “Peace Officer” Not "Law Enforcement Officer. " Yes, as State AG. > [@Kamala owns a gun "for personal safety"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/194): > > I want the list of credible death threats starting with 1990. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2062 "2024-09-24T07:13:40Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I don’t even no what to say about this or if anyone would care, but compare DD’s posts in this thread: We saw what you did there. And over in this post in its thread: > [@Does cooking berries ruin the anti-oxidants?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-cooking-berries-ruin-the-anti-oxidants/1007624/9): > > You own cite disagrees with you. The irony kills. DD is the master of cites that disagree with his point. (I didn’t read that thread so much, and didn’t read the cites so I have no idea if they disagree with the poster or not.) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2063 "2024-09-24T07:25:16Z")
For what it’s worth, the argument he’s trying to make there is irrelevant to the point I was making. As usual, he’s fixating on a straw man of his own invention. I considered getting into it, but what would be the purpose? ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2064 "2024-09-24T07:36:40Z")
That’s how I feel about all of this posts. He picks something irrelevant and beats it to death. He also googles things, briefly scans them and declares they means something they obviously don’t. I simply don’t engage with him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971.md?page=104)