# I pit DrDeth **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971 "2021-02-28T19:52:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2125 "2025-01-14T02:28:05Z")
Just highlighting DocD’s contributions in the Neil Gaiman thread starting here: > [@Neil Gaiman accused of being serial sexual abuser](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neil-gaiman-accused-of-being-serial-sexual-abuser/1003781/197): > > Yeah. Like perhaps an indictment at least? Calling him a “rapist” when he hasnt even been arrested sounds pretty bogus. Yep. Sure seducing someone who was talked into something they might not do by a celebrity is creepy. But it is not rape. As long as consent was given. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2126 "2025-01-14T02:47:43Z")
Absolutely disgusting. Well sure the women said no. But they didn’t “say no over and over.” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2127 "2025-01-14T02:56:32Z")
And it was only one who said it, aside from all of the others who said it. And they didn’t go to the police, aside from the ones who did and nothing happened from it. But other than that, there’s no evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2128 "2025-01-14T02:58:18Z")
Surprise, surprise Poster with a long history (it’s even brought up in the first couple posts in this thread) of jumping to conclusions without reading sources and making misogynistic posts …continues to jump to conclusions without reading sources and making misogynistic posts. His entire life represents such a sad, pointless waste of potential ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2129 "2025-01-14T03:00:35Z")
I was looking for the “What were you thinking?” thread having forgotten that he has earned his own personal log. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2130 "2025-01-14T03:11:32Z")
C’mon people, it’s not like Neil Gaiman did something truly outrageous like featuring smoking in his works! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2131 "2025-01-14T11:40:40Z")
I started out reading his posts in the Gaiman thread on the assumption that he was in denial because no one wants to believe that an author or artist whose work they love is a monster. I certainly know that feeling. But after a while and the increasingly desperate rationalizations, I began to wonder if we were drifting into “protests too much” territory. Really hope I’m wrong about that. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2132 "2025-01-14T12:39:57Z")
You’re not. On most topics he’s just kind of annoying and doggedly wrongheaded. But on gender issues, he’s an absolute turd. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2133 "2025-01-14T12:47:45Z")
I think it’s like the Marion Zimmer Bradley or Whedon things - people are just _very_ emotionally invested in their parasocial relationships with those creators, and threatening the sanctity of that with unpleasant truths is yucking their yum. Nothing more sinister than that needed. I know enough Gaiman fans IRL to be pretty sure that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2134 "2025-01-14T13:03:01Z")
Fuck benefit of any doubt. DD has been posting misogynistic crap on this board for literal decades now. This latest idiocy is simply part and parcel of the same thing. No doubt aided by admiration for a favored author, but not requiring it at all. Lest anybody forget, this is the same poster that started [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-vs-women-take-no-for-a-answer/) linked early on in this pitting that boiled down to “maybe no doesn’t always mean no” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2135 "2025-01-14T14:38:09Z")
There’s misogyny, and then there’s what Gyrate was hinting at. Not the same thing. Not gonna argue Deth isn’t a raging misogynist and rape culture denialist, but that doesn’t mean he is himself a rapist. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2136 "2025-01-14T14:49:54Z")
Again - I hope not. But there’s a lot of frantic deflection going on in that thread, for whatever reason. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2137 "2025-01-14T15:06:44Z")
The beloved author/misogyny intersection is enough explanation, without the ugly accusation of Deth being a rapist, mate. If you can’t remember, go read Broomstick’s defense of MZB. Now ask yourself if you think Broomstick is a kiddie-diddler for that? No, of course not. So why this for Deth? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2138 "2025-01-14T15:09:02Z")
Because he kept claiming it was consensual. And I don’t remember the MZB discussion. This is not a hill I was planning on dying on, but he seems _really_ emotionally invested in Gaiman not being judged a rapist. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2139 "2025-01-14T15:11:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Because he kept claiming it was consensual That’s just Deth, Dething on a hill, as far as I can tell. He only read a commentary on the Vulture article, not the thing itself, but when did actual facts ever stop him? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2140 "2025-01-14T15:11:22Z")
Have you just discovered DrD? He can get _really emotionally invested_ over any odd thing. So many times it is hard to enumerate them. Take what started this thread as an example. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2141 "2025-01-14T16:14:50Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Take what started this thread as an example. Exactly what I was gonna say. I started this thread because he was sneering at me for seeing racism in Gary Gygax’s obviously racist D&D stuff from the seventies, because he enjoys D&D and can’t imagine that something he enjoys was created by someone with serious flaws. This is part and parcel of that whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2142 "2025-01-14T16:29:14Z")
I’m just waiting for him to post that he believes Gaiman because he’s had a book signed once, like how bumping into Gygax at a couple cons meant he saw into his soul and saw no trace of racism there. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2143 "2025-01-15T00:22:25Z")
Well, you know, Doug always said he was a good judge of character. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/2144 "2025-01-15T00:43:44Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The beloved author/misogyny intersection is enough explanation, without the ugly accusation of Deth being a rapist, mate. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m just waiting for him to post that he believes Gaiman because he’s had a book signed once, like how bumping into Gygax at a couple cons meant he saw into his soul and saw no trace of racism there. Just adding weight to @MrDibble’s point, but earlier in the mentioned thread, DD specifically mentioned that **American Gods** was his very favorite book. So, despite his claims in the same thread that Gaiman’s actions won’t change his feelings about the _works_ (which is fair, and I share it to _some_ extent) he’s in deeeeeep denial to preserve his feelings about his favorite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971.md?page=108)