# I pit DrDeth **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971 "2021-02-28T19:52:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1305 "2022-10-24T18:15:37Z")
My father was in the Navy in WWII. Wanna know how he ended his Brilliant Military Career? Medical discharge for throwing his back out. ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1306 "2022-10-24T19:16:06Z")
Isn’t that known as a breveted back? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1307 "2022-10-24T19:21:22Z")
Only if it happens during a line-crossing ceremony. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1308 "2022-10-24T20:58:31Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Dude, didn’t you embarrass yourself enough [in this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civilians-pretending-theyre-guarding-recruiters/725929/1) about your complete lack of knowledge of things military? I give you “Full Captain”. Wow, what a colossal piece of shit he is in there demanding to know if you have a Combat Action Ribbon when the closest that he’s ever been to anything remotely military was his father’s alleged retirement in 1946. I’d say its stunningly bad behavior even for him, but I’d really be phoning that one in. Wanting military or combat experience from others as qualifications that he entirely lacks himself does seem to be a habit for him. In the thread where he totally didn’t cite his years playing _Axis&Allies_ as the source of his knowledge of all things WWII, he did a bit of a fuckie-wuckie trying to dismiss historian John Keegan’s qualifications on the topic of WWII on the grounds that he never served in the military. If he’d spent any of his college years learning history by actually reading anything by Keegan rather than learning about war by pushing plastic toy soldiers about, he’d have known the reason Keegan never served was because he was unfit for service due to tuberculosis at the age of 13. That, of course, didn’t prevent him from being the senior lecturer on military history at Royal Military Acadamy Sandhurst, the UK’s equivalent of West Point and the British Army certainly didn’t think it disqualified him. Insulting the disabled indeed. > [@Monty](#): > > Can you please just STFU about all matters military since you never get any of it correct? It really would be nice if he did. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1309 "2022-10-25T00:33:07Z")
Only if it happens in the Brevet region of France. Otherwise, it’s just a sparkling field commission. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1310 "2022-10-25T00:43:08Z")
That’s the Army version. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1311 "2022-10-25T01:31:54Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Why should it (have a single scratch on it)? I know nothing about the British Airforce at the time, but I would assume that airmen had completely different helmets to the troops on the ground, and especially those in close, cramped positions such as a tail gunner. But an army/airforce office worker could be issued a “Brodie” helmet for drills and such, and rarely actually use it. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1312 "2022-10-25T02:02:23Z")
I don’t see why aircrew would wear a Brodie helmet at all. _Except_ for (air raid) drills and such on the ground, seeing as that particular style of helmet was most appropriate for protection against shrapnel and fragmentary-style debris raining down from above. Anyway, it seems a flimsy basis to hang any particular outcome on when it comes to belief or disbelief. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1313 "2022-10-25T02:12:41Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Anyway, it seems a flimsy basis to hang any particular outcome on when it comes to belief or disbelief. I would agree with you, to be fair I have close to zero interest in his service, so am not sufficiently interested to research it. Maybe he really was a tail-gunner in a Lancaster. That would please the 5 year old me. Maybe he was in some dull accounting job. That would please the current me. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1314 "2022-10-30T06:21:16Z")
Spineless liar tries to play the “it’s bigoted to call out bigots” and “you’re the real bigot” games… > [@Gender, race, and other issues (split off from Doper Demographics thread)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/322): > > The term 'karen" is misogynist, bigoted and hurtful. I am surprised you are using it . ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1315 "2022-10-30T12:53:40Z")
I’m going to agree with drdeth here. “Karen” is a gendered term used to put down privileged women who do stuff that is routinely accepted by privileged men. Even lauded, as it’s often seen as “righting wrongs” when done by men. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1316 "2022-10-30T13:21:02Z")
That’s not my experience with the word. A dude acting similarly is likely to be called an entitled douche, or just plain asshole. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1317 "2022-10-30T13:22:14Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > “Karen” is a gendered term used to put down privileged women who do stuff that is routinely accepted by privileged men Even allowing that it is gendered (although I’ve seen enough “male Karen” vids and articles that that’s not so clear-cut anymore), that’s _not_ the same as misogynist. For comparison - “Chad” used to refer to some dude-bro to isn’t misandrist, even though it’s as gendered as Karen if not more so (never seen a Buzfeed list of female Chads, for instance. I have of male Karens). And no, I don’t accept this kind of bullshit from privileged men any more than I do from privileged women. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1318 "2022-10-30T13:25:45Z")
There are times when you ought to talk to the manager. Yes, “Karen” is sometimes used to describe a privileged asshole. But I’ve seen an awful lot of uses in the last year where it’s really about keeping women in their place, which is to defer to men and not rock the boat. If you want to say someone is a privileged asshole, I’d greatly prefer if you used those words, and not “Karen”. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1319 "2022-10-30T13:30:53Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > If you want to say someone is a privileged asshole, I’d greatly prefer if you used those words, and not “Karen”. How about you don’t tell me how to use [a word that originated in Black culture, and has a specific meaning that isn’t _just_ generic “privileged asshole”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/28/karen-memes-jokes-arent-sexist-or-racist-let-karen-explain/), from your position of White woman privilege? This is White people telling me I can’t use “wypipo”, all over again. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > But I’ve seen an awful lot of uses in the last year where it’s really about keeping women in their place Then call out _those_ usages, not when it’s used correctly for some White woman closing down a Black kid’s lemonade stand, or trying to get a Black birder arrested. I don’t use Karen for mere “I want to talk to the manager” crap, I use it for outright bigoted White women (although there’s the odd Black and other PoC Karen too). ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1320 "2022-10-30T14:23:22Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > This is White people telling me I can’t use “wypipo”, all over again. Having in been born in a country that had entrenched rascism and currently living in a country that invented apartheid, I feel that “wypipo” is a little racist. Not that I care very much, because my ancestors were massively racist; and I don’t feel a lot of need to support their misguided opinions, which led to horrendous actions. Being called “wypipo” - meh. It is kind of hard to take offense, compared to how my ancestors (and this includes my own parents) treated Black people in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and before that in South Africa. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1321 "2022-10-30T14:31:00Z")
I started a [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/systemic-oppression-personal-bigotry-and-jerkiness/967712) a while ago to address this and similar points. “Wypipo” is definitely not systemic oppression. I don’t think it qualifies as personal bigotry, the way I understand it to be used most of the time, although it certainly could be used in that way. Whether it counts as being a jerk is not something I will address, although it is obviously insulting. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1322 "2022-10-30T14:38:14Z")
That may be where it originated. And the first time i saw the word, it was in the context of that Black birder. (A man i know slightly, by the way. We went to college together, and we were on the same Zoom call watching the presidential election results trickle in a couple of years ago. So I followed that story pretty closely.) And i didn’t think anything of it at the time, except that i have a friend named Karen. But that’s not how it’s being used by white men in the white community. And it IS being used by white men to keep white women in their place. That’s a context you should be aware of, when posting on a board of mostly white men. You are even aware that it’s used to describe a woman who asks to speak to the manager. Reading the article you linked, though, I’ll agree that it’s absurd to equate “Karen” with the n word. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1323 "2022-10-30T14:46:13Z")
Also, looking at what you actually said: > [@Gender, race, and other issues (split off from Doper Demographics thread)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/321): > > > [@Gender, race, and other issues (split off from Doper Demographics thread)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-race-and-other-issues-split-off-from-doper-demographics-thread/971091/307): > > > > It’s just tiresome seeing white men get all the blame for faults that are demonstrably universal > > Now, now, this isn’t accurate - there’s plenty of blame to spare for Karens too. There’s no way, in the context of that quote, to know who you are referring to by “Karens”. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1324 "2022-10-30T14:47:48Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And it IS being used by white men to keep white women in their place. I’ve heard this claim before, and I’m not sure I’ve seen it in action. Can you point to an example? None of this discussion should detract from the message the DrDeth is a tool. Carry on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971.md?page=67)