# I pit.... DrFidelius! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916 "2016-03-23T02:26:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stately_Greek_Automaton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/341 "2016-04-10T04:49:07Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I want proof, not just some people saying it over and over again. Not knowing how to do it isn’t proof it is impossible. > > BTW not everyone thought it was impossible: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195240&postcount=29](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195240&postcount=29) > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195855&postcount=35](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195855&postcount=35) > Here’s my GD thread about it: (I didn’t mention those previous quotes though) > ["You can't target the fat loss area" - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=787736) > > ddsun didn’t reply in the GD thread but he did reply here: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195900&postcount=36](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195900&postcount=36) > > But his links are saying that you can’t target the fat loss area through **exercise** > > Despite this Trinopus wrote: Metabolic syndrome, huh? I was just reading about this a day or two ago, lemme see if I can find it… Aha! Found it. The answer is [to smoke more weed](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21484568). That may conflict with the good doctor’s suggestion of eating less though. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/342 "2016-04-10T04:58:33Z")
**JohnClay** , I think you’re absolutely right, and you are doing the right thing. I think you should listen to your mother, and follow this new diet. It sounds like it will work. Don’t listen to what anyone here says. In fact, don’t even mention it here, because people will just bring you down. You just need to do your own thing, and talk about it with the people who really care about you. Posting about it will only get you grief. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/343 "2016-04-10T05:39:11Z")
I found it interesting that yesterday my mum and then her good friend my wife were saying that I should be happy with how I am and to not lose any more weight… On the other hand there’s this: > [@Subterraneanus](#): > > …you’re flabby as hell… > [@bobkitty](#): > > …I’d be more worried about the moobs if I were him. > [@Ambivalid](#): > > You’re a blob of a man, **JC**. You may be the first human being with **no** muscle mass. Shameful. > [@dropzone](#): > > I’m morbidly obese and I was so nauseated by his flabbiness that I went out and took a walk… About a Rowan Atkinson pic I would be happy to look like: [![](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/blackadder/images/2/25/Slave_Blackadder.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141106143357) ](http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/blackadder/images/2/25/Slave_Blackadder.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141106143357) > [@ddsun](#): > > …He looks flabby and completely unattractive…maybe you should be trying for something just a wee bit less nauseating. I’m in-between. I’m not satisfied with my current appearance but on the other hand I think I have hope and think that Rowan Atkinson looks pretty good as a goal. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/344 "2016-04-10T07:07:53Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > My mum told me about Prevention magazine’s “Flat Belly Diet!” book and then I got the men’s version second-hand. One of the main ideas in it is about MUFAs. > [Meet the MUFAs: Flat Belly Diet | Prevention](http://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/flat-belly-diet/meet-the-mufas-flat-belly-diet) > BTW as far as my original diet went, it has sort of plateaued. (in kg) > > BTW the first figure was from the first night while all of the rest are from the morning. I think I lost over a kilogram overnight mainly due to my bladder and partly from poo. TMI. Really. > [@](#): > > Last night I was reading this: > [How To Burn Stored Body Fat — A Ketosis Primer | Food Renegade](http://www.foodrenegade.com/how-to-burn-stored-body-fat-a-ketosis-primer/) > > In the photos I still seem to have about the same size moobs and my belly is still quite big. I’m going to try a ketogenic diet. Oh sweet holy hand grenade. Just what the ever living fuck does this have to do with the Pit thread? Are we condemned to one massive Pit thread about your diets because you can’t open any more diet threads? (I’m going with yes.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/345 "2016-04-10T08:41:48Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > TMI. Really. > Oh sweet holy hand grenade. Just what the ever living fuck does this have to do with the Pit thread? Are we condemned to one massive Pit thread about your diets because you can’t open any more diet threads? (I’m going with yes.) Bingo. So now I’m looking into ketogenic diets. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/346 "2016-04-10T09:37:48Z")
BTW as far as ketogenic (high fat, moderate protein, low carb?) diets go, I can easily find webpages that mention potential problems… The (Practical) Truth About Carbohydrates in a Healthy Diet [http://rebootedbody.com/carbohydrates/](http://rebootedbody.com/carbohydrates/) 3 Reasons You Might Want to Ditch That Ketogenic Eating Plan [http://rebootedbody.com/ketogenic-eating-problems/](http://rebootedbody.com/ketogenic-eating-problems/) It all gets very complicated. But anyway the ketogenic diet I’m currently on is pretty much the same as the “Belly Fat Cure” diet except that I am allowing a certain amount of carbs per day (like that Whopper Jr bun). BTW I like a site called Authority Nutrition which claims to be “an evidence based approach”. Here is an interesting article: > **[How to Lose Weight Fast: 3 Simple Steps, Based on Science](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-lose-weight-as-fast-as-possible)** > > This simple 3-step plan can help you lose weight fast. Read about the 3-step plan, along with other science-backed weight loss tips, here. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/347 "2016-04-10T17:06:01Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Bingo. So now I’m looking into ketogenic diets. Bingo? So you’re admitting that this thread is now your diet blog? Peace out, bro. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/348 "2016-04-10T20:30:57Z")
[whimper] … make it _stop_ … ---
**Author:** ![Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bad_News_Baboon)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/349 "2016-04-11T05:38:19Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > I remember fishing as a young boy in a small lake in northern Ontario. I caught fish after fish after fish. It was as simple as dropping the line in the water. > > Instant nibble, instant catch. Every single time. > > This thread brought up that memory. > mmm I think it would be awesome if you posted about this more. Tell us in great depth about these fish and how the fishing went. Daily. Monday: A minnow. 4 inches. Silvery. 786 scales. Caught him with a worm (pink). Tuesday: Another minnow. 4.13" inches. Silvery but kind of not. 790 scales. Cricket (brown). Endlessly fascinating! ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2016, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/350 "2016-04-11T09:13:03Z")
Today after work I wandered around a supermarket for about 40 minutes picking things up and looking at the nutritional information. By habit I picked up $1.50 of seafood highlighter because it is low in calories. Then I looked at a photo of the nutritional information I stored in my phone from January. It is pretty high in carbs (14%) and is not a “whole food” so I had thoughts of taking it back or leaving it lying around. Near the end I had a look at the “health food” section, then the hardcore diet section (with special shakes, etc) and then the body building type section with bulk up powders, etc. I remembered that watermelon was pretty good so I looked it up on my phone… it is 30 calories / 100g. I had 5 kg of groceries (and a 5 kg backpack with a laptop) and there was about a 15 min walk home so maybe that will build up my upper body slightly. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/351 "2016-04-11T13:13:29Z")
“Seafood highlighter”? So you use it to color shrimp fluorescent yellow or something? Or is it a marker shaped like a lobster? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/352 "2016-04-11T19:31:38Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > How is this not a a blog? Blogs are allowed. See the blog about pigeon eggs that that guy blogs about here every year for evidence. It’s been going for 8 years and is 45 pages and 95% of all posts are by Siam Sam. If that’s not evidence for blogs being allowed here then I am a four-toed sloth. You’ll be happy to know that, “Ladyboy did lay her second egg right on schedule today.” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=467835&highlight=pigeon+eggs&page=45](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=467835&highlight=pigeon+eggs&page=45) Also **JohnClay** don’t forget to do your kegels. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/353 "2016-04-12T06:01:06Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > …Also **JohnClay** don’t forget to do your kegels. I partly have incontinence… I will try those exercises a bit… ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/354 "2016-04-13T09:27:51Z")
I found a keto calculator: > **[Keto Calculator](https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/)** > > This weight loss calculator finds out how you can lose weight on a ketogenic diet. Based on your personal data you can calculate the amount of carbohydrates, protein, and fat you can eat to reach your specific goal. Give it a try! Based on the pics I guessed I might have 20% fat or even a bit more: > **[Body Fat Comparison Pictures](https://martin.ankerl.com/2016/01/04/body-fat-comparison-pictures/)** > > Here is a collection of visual body fat charts. Use these to estimate your personal body fat for the keto calculator. See below for men. Women As you can see, even the same body fat percentag (here twice 15%) can look quite different, depending on... This means my lean body mass is 59 kg (if I had no fat I’d be 59 kg). About carbs on a ketogenic diet: > [@](#): > > …Below 50g of net carbs each day is sufficient for most people to stay in ketosis. Make sure to get your carbs from vegetables (10-15g), nuts and seeds (5-10g), and fruits (5-10g)… About protein: > [@](#): > > …It is important to get enough protein to maintain your muscles, but not too much or it will kick you out of ketosis. > > Based on your personal data, you should stay within a range of 79g if you are mostly sedentary to 130g if you put your muscles under a lot of new stress or with a large caloric deficit to prevent muscle loss. > > When in doubt, choose the middle ground. For you, that’s 105g… > [@](#): > > 37/M/6’0" | CW 163 lbs | 20% BF | Lightly active > > - 1680 kcal Goal, a 20% deficit. (1201 min, 2100 max) > - 40g Carbohydrates > - 105g Protein (79g min, 130g max) > - 122g Fat (69g min, 168g max) The foods I eat with protein are usually around 10% or up to nearly 20%. I got 1kg of whey protein powder on eBay for AU$24 including postage. It is 84% protein and 6% carbs. I’ll have some of that if I need more protein. I’ll probably have a lot of macadamia nuts to get my fat (particularly MUFA). It is 8.7% protein, 72% fat (58% MUFA), 5.5% carbs. I can get it for about AU$30/kg. So if I have about 100g a day that’s 72g of fat (58g of MUFA) but only 5.5g of carbs. Based on this: > **[How to Lose Weight Fast: 3 Simple Steps, Based on Science](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-lose-weight-as-fast-as-possible)** > > This simple 3-step plan can help you lose weight fast. Read about the 3-step plan, along with other science-backed weight loss tips, here. > [@](#): > > 1. Don’t “Diet”, Eat Healthy Instead > …Instead of going on a diet, make it your goal to become a healthier, happier and fitter person. Focus on nourishing your body, instead of depriving it… I looked in another brand of probiotic. I previously was having Inner Health Plus (the ad is on a lot and says “Have you had your Inner Health Plus today?”). Then I saw an ad that says another brand has 10 strains of bacteria instead of 2. [http://www.healthy-lifespace.com/adult/broad-spectrum-probiotic-capsules/](http://www.healthy-lifespace.com/adult/broad-spectrum-probiotic-capsules/) It also doesn’t need to be refrigerated which would explain why it is quite a bit cheaper. The protein powder I bought would be good for my health too since it has a lot of 18 different amino acids. I’m also having Pfizer’s “Centrum” which has 30+ nutrients. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/355 "2016-04-13T09:43:38Z")
Also from the calculator page: > [@](#): > > How Much Fat Should I Eat? > …Fat intake depends on your goal. If you want to lose weight, your total calories have to be below your maintenance calories of 2099kcal. Think of fat as your healthy filler nutrient: To maintain your current weight, fill all of the 1520 remaining calories up with 168g fat. Don’t go below 69g of fat. > > If you want to lose weight, your total calories have to eat less than 2099kcal. How low can you go? This depends on the maximum rate your body can release body fat (See discussion 1 and 2). If you eat below 69g of fat, your body cannot keep up any more with burning your body fat for fuel and will start burning protein – meaning you will lose your hard earned muscles instead of more fat. You don’t want that… > > lowest intake > 42% deficit > 1201 kcal min > 69 g fat min > > chosen intake > 20% deficit > 1680 kcal chosen > 122 g fat chosen > > maintenance > 0% deficit > 2099 kcal max > 168 g fat max So it says for me a 42% calorie deficit is the maximum deficit I should have but the good doctor said I should have a 50% calorie deficit… Also: > [@](#): > > Here are your personal macros: > > 1680 kcal Daily Calorie Intake > 40g Carbs (10%, 160 kcal) > 105g Protein (25%, 420 kcal) > 122g Fat (65%, 1100 kcal) > > If you stick to 40g of carbs, 105g protein, and 122g fat, you will eat 1680kcal and lose 1.6kg (3.5lbs) in the first month. Keep in mind that your body weight can fluctuate by ±2kg (±4lbs) on any given day from water weight and what’s in your stomach. Recalculate your macro ratio once a month, because changes in body composition have a large influence on the recommendations and weight loss. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/356 "2016-04-13T21:14:32Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > . . . So it says for me a 42% calorie deficit is the maximum deficit I should have but the good doctor said I should have a 50% calorie deficit… . . . . When it comes to daily calorie intake, that’s just about the same. The difference between a six-inch sandwich and a five-inch sandwich isn’t going to make you much more hungry, nor trim a measurable amount from your waistband. The good doctor was right, and the book is right too. There is more than one way to diet. For it to work, you’ve got to do it regularly and consistently, and mix it with exercise. You’ve failed miserably in your attempt to impeach **DrFidelius**. By the way, in actual point of fact, by what percentage have you reduced your caloric intake? I’m willing to bet you haven’t even come close to 42%, let alone 50%. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/357 "2016-04-13T21:41:05Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > …By the way, in actual point of fact, by what percentage have you reduced your caloric intake? I’m willing to bet you haven’t even come close to 42%, let alone 50%. I’m not good at counting exact calories so I don’t know. In my previous post it said that my chosen calorie deficit is 20%. For 20% it says “Moderate Deficit: Fast weight loss with moderate difficulty.” If I choose 40% it says “Severe Deficit: Are you sure? Try a 20% deficit if you fail” A 42% maximum deficit means 42% maximum. i.e. 50% is not allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/358 "2016-04-14T00:57:43Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I partly have incontinence… I will try those exercises a bit… For the love of god, just shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/359 "2016-04-14T01:11:38Z")
Anybody want to hear about a lump of green putty I found in my armpit? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/360 "2016-04-14T01:43:01Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > For the love of god, just shut up. I can readily accept that our pal is mentally ill, but I think the deliberate trolling is incidental to that. Some individuals are such pathetic attention whores that even the most contemptuous ridicule serves as a positive reinforcement because it validates the fact that they exist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916.md?page=19)