# I pit.... DrFidelius! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916 "2016-03-23T02:26:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/101 "2016-03-24T22:11:02Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > So fucking what? You don’t get a pat on the back for managing to refrain from posting for a whole 8 hours I didn’t post from 9:25 PM my time to 6:51 PM. That’s a break of more than **20 hours**. Also I posted post 48 then my next post was post 79. That means there were **30 replies** yet cochrane complained that I made 5 replies. > [@](#): > > ESPECIALLY when you then immediately go back to doing exactly what people complain about. My ratio of replies was 1:6 in that section. > [@](#): > > I imagine that’s exactly what your dieting looks like - “well, I didn’t have dessert on Thursday last week, so I must be doing a great job!”. No I have thinks like super dark chocolate (6% sugar) and nuts with high amounts of “good” fat, celery, etc, for dessert. > [@](#): > > No - to not be posting obsessively, you must stop posting obsessively. Full stop. Not for 8 hours at a time, for all time. Doesn’t mean stop posting - it means stop posting obsessively. My point was that I’ve improved a bit - not that I’m completely over it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/102 "2016-03-24T22:16:42Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > **John Clay** , do you ever have anything to say about anything other than “belly fat”??? Yes, DrFidelius and vegetables. > [@](#): > > Sheesh, you come across as the type of fat-phobic who would think that [Isabelle Caro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabelle_Caro) was obese or that Christian Bale’s character in “The Machinist” needed to drop the weight STAT. No he has a thin face. I don’t want to lose any fat from my face. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/103 "2016-03-24T22:26:15Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Actually, I think it’s going pretty much exactly as the OP expected. It clearly was never an actual pitting, it’s just an excuse to skirt the rules and post another diet thread. The fact that no one is engaging the OP in a meaningful discussion of diet is irrelevant, since he’s not interested in that. Agreed. This was not a Pitting. **JC** just wants to talk more about diets. Also about how he’s not obsessive. Obsessively. > [@JohnClay](#): > > \I already said the only vegetables I’ve been eating lately include celery, asparagus, broccoli and lettuce. Are you saying they aren’t healthy? 😕 Also you said “cut your food intake in half **at least** ” - I already am losing weight quite quickly - do you want me to cut my food intake by half **or more**? **JohnClay** if you are already losing weight rapidly why are you even discussing diet? You are losing weight, which is the point. Stop asking for other ways to do it. If you NEED to discuss diets do so with your doctor. It sounds like you will try any crazy diet scheme that is flashed around the Internet. Talk to your doctor and stop getting distracted by the shiny “easy” diets. > [@](#): > > \The diet is called “The Belly Fat Cure”. It is about belly fat (and “false” belly fat). I don’t want to lose any weight from my face. It isn’t the “Be A Skeleton Diet”. Your “question” about targeting weight loss/fat loss to your belly has been asked and answered. Repeatedly. The answers aren’t going to change just because you opened multiple threads. You cannot target fat loss (short of surgery). If you are worried about a saggy belly, try doing some core strengthening exercises. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/104 "2016-03-24T22:28:09Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > …Walking is a normal activity for the human species, day-to-day everyday. If you consider it an “exersice”, then I have to wonder what you do do as normal activity, if not sitting on your butt. I sometimes walk for more than an hour a day. Sometimes it is fast walking. Many experts consider fast walking to be “moderate exercise”. So I guess you think they’re wrong. > [@](#): > > Strawman … I said consume less, even if it’s healthy because, duh, it’s still healthy. So then cutting down to 5% of my regular vegetable intake is still a healthy diet because it’s still healthy? > [@](#): > > Weighing yourself everyday on two scales is unhealthy for _you_ … if it should drive you to post this information anywhere on the internet. I asked for proof. So WHY is it unhealthy? > [@](#): > > Absolutely no one in the entire world cares that you bought _two_ expensive scales They are accurate to about 0.1 kg but they only cost about $20-$30 each. I don’t consider that to be “expensive”. > [@](#): > > so we could know within 200 grams how much you weigh. At least I have two people teasing me about how much my hammer weighs (24 oz.). Well good for you. > [@](#): > > Beans, rice and fresh vegetables … that’s all the nutrition most anyone needs, although some may need extra carbs … Make up your mind extra carbs or not extra carbs. So you’re saying that every single vitamin, etc, that people need is in that diet? > [@](#): > > Cut the volume in half for the three weeks the Good Doctor recommended, then come back and report … he’s a professional, you should respect his training and experience. Well in the past 10 days I’ve gone from 76.5 kg to 74.3 kg. Also I used to be 80 kg a few months ago. I don’t want to cut my vegetables for 3 weeks! I want to be on my own diet! > [@](#): > > Jog … now … once around the block everyday … work yourself up to two blocks and so on … THAT is your new measure, sell the triple-beams on eBay. Well I might start jogging again… ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/105 "2016-03-24T22:34:22Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > Agreed. This was not a Pitting. **JC** just wants to talk more about diets. Also about how he’s not obsessive. Obsessively. I’m complaining about DrFidelius. I think he has some ridiculous advice. (though I agree it would result in weight loss). I mainly only wrote one post that addressed my obsessiveness. I DIDN’T say I’m not obsessive. > [@](#): > > **JohnClay** if you are already losing weight rapidly why are you even discussing diet? I wanted to know if coffee/caffeine affected weight, etc. I want to complain about DrFidelius’s advice, etc. Also I only started this diet about 10 days ago - when I was first mentioning it on these boards. > [@](#): > > You are losing weight, which is the point. Stop asking for other ways to do it. If you NEED to discuss diets do so with your doctor. I only see him once a month and I have already talked to him about my diet. Also I DIDN’T ask for other ways of losing weight. DrFidelius just gave me his vegetable advice out of nowhere and I wanted to criticize him. > [@](#): > > It sounds like you will try any crazy diet scheme that is flashed around the Internet. Talk to your doctor and stop getting distracted by the shiny “easy” diets. Well it seems to be working > [@](#): > > Your “question” about targeting weight loss/fat loss to your belly has been asked and answered. Repeatedly. The answers aren’t going to change just because you opened multiple threads. You cannot target fat loss (short of surgery). See post 39 - lipo DOESN’T reduce visceral fat - in fact it can increase it. > [@](#): > > If you are worried about a saggy belly, try doing some core strengthening exercises. I want to stay on the “Belly Fat Cure” diet. Also my belly is not saggy it is just not flat. I might do exercises for it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/106 "2016-03-24T22:42:55Z")
Try This One Simple Tip For Shutting The Fuck Up: SHUT THE FUCK UP! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/107 "2016-03-24T23:06:04Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Walking is a normal activity for the human species, day-to-day everyday. If you consider it an “exersice”, then I have to wonder what you do do as normal activity, if not sitting on your butt. :dubious: Seriously? You’ve never heard of [walking for exercise](http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/a-z/walking-workouts)? I don’t think we’re just talking about regular walking around the house. Up until his arthritis got too bad, my dad used to go to the local park and walk about ten miles a day. It kept him in pretty good shape. I lost weight when I’d walk from downtown to the North Shore on nice days. (Sadly, the weather didn’t always allow that, and I had to take a second bus.) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/108 "2016-03-25T00:37:26Z")
I’m starting to think John Clay is a bot. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/109 "2016-03-25T01:50:19Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Try This One Simple Tip For Shutting The Fuck Up: SHUT THE FUCK UP! We should advise him of the health and exercise benefits of hitting the Delete key for several thousand reps. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/110 "2016-03-25T02:07:49Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I didn’t post from 9:25 PM my time to 6:51 PM. That’s a break of more than **20 hours**. Also I posted post 48 then my next post was post 79. That means there were **30 replies** yet cochrane complained that I made 5 replies. Posts #79-83 = 5 consecutive posts in 51 minutes. If that’s an “improvement,” I’m fucking Howdy Doody. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/111 "2016-03-25T02:29:17Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I’m complaining about DrFidelius. I think he has some ridiculous advice. (though I agree it would result in weight loss). There you go, agreeing with\*\* Dr. Fidelius\*\* again. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/112 "2016-03-25T02:35:23Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’m starting to think John Clay is a bot. Bots usually aren’t so squishy 'round the middle. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/113 "2016-03-25T03:16:59Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Well in the past 10 days I’ve gone from 76.5 kg to 74.3 kg. Also I used to be 80 kg a few months ago. I don’t want to cut my vegetables for 3 weeks! I want to be on my own diet! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo… He didn’t did he … oh my God … he did he done did it … I am so sorry folks, I guess I should have figured he’d post his weight … this is embarrassing, I feel like a sucker now … I can be such an idiot sometimes … I’m really sorry, really I am, please forgive me. 165# right? > [@JohnClay](#): > > Make up your mind extra carbs or not extra carbs. So you’re saying that every single vitamin, etc, that people need is in that diet? Note this portion out-of-sequence Almost … store bought milk has Vitamin D added, but if you’re a whitie and chromosynopticly male, probably not a big issue. Eat fish from the sea on Fridays, for iodine … otherwise you’re good. How many carbs is up to you, but first you’ll need to know what carbs do … read a book on nutrition, it’s not complicated … you can do this if you really care enough. Maybe then you’ll understand why highly experienced and dedicated doctors across the internet recommend exactly what our Good Doctor told you … go do it … report back in three weeks … > [@JohnClay](#): > > Well I might start jogging again… … earn the burn … that’s FAT exploding … ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/114 "2016-03-25T03:25:08Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > :dubious: > > Seriously? You’ve never heard of [walking for exercise](http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/a-z/walking-workouts)? I don’t think we’re just talking about regular walking around the house. Up until his arthritis got too bad, my dad used to go to the local park and walk about ten miles a day. It kept him in pretty good shape. > > I lost weight when I’d walk from downtown to the North Shore on nice days. (Sadly, the weather didn’t always allow that, and I had to take a second bus.) Feels weird posting twice in a row … but this one does deserve it’s own response. I can’t debate that, that link fits the OP really well. I kinda feel sorry for the OP though, as he burns off his belly fat it will be replaced with muscle mass … he’ll weigh more then. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/115 "2016-03-25T04:12:18Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Posts #79-83 = 5 consecutive posts in 51 minutes. If that’s an “improvement,” I’m fucking Howdy Doody. :rolleyes: Watch out for splinters. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/116 "2016-03-25T04:15:45Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Even posting while standing will help. I reject this suggestion as all my posts to this message board are made while I am on the toilet and I can only assume this is true for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/117 "2016-03-25T05:53:21Z")
The aroma, now that was a failure. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/118 "2016-03-25T08:28:41Z")
“You want healthy, throw away your scale, eat nothing but vegetables, beans and rice forever” “…So you’re saying that every single vitamin, etc, that people need is in that diet?” > [@watchwolf49](#): > > …Almost … store bought milk has Vitamin D added, but if you’re a whitie and chromosynopticly male, probably not a big issue. Eat fish from the sea on Fridays, for iodine … otherwise you’re good. Ok so now you’re adding milk with added vitamin D and also fish. I guess this may be ok then since fish would include essential fats and proteins. > [@](#): > > How many carbs is up to you, but first you’ll need to know what carbs do … read a book on nutrition, it’s not complicated … you can do this if you really care enough. [http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-body-produce-carbohydrates-protein-intake-8861.html](http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-body-produce-carbohydrates-protein-intake-8861.html) I think some sources say that the body can cope without carbs by creating them with dietary protein and fats. Though I think low-carb diets can result in constipation. > [@](#): > > Maybe then you’ll understand why highly experienced and dedicated doctors across the internet recommend exactly what our Good Doctor told you … “Exactly”? I challenge you to find ONE doctor on the internet that recommends that people who want to lose fat in general should halve their vegetable intake. If you can’t that, at least find ONE doctor that says that vegetable intake should be reduced. > [@](#): > > go do it … report back in three weeks … If it is such good and widespread advice then you could advise readers here that want to lose some weight to halve their vegetable intake (and halve all other food intake). Surely they’d want to try it for three weeks if it is such fantastic advice… then they could report back. Then I wonder what is supposed to happen next? Halve it again? 😕 > [@](#): > > … I kinda feel sorry for the OP though, as he burns off his belly fat it will be replaced with muscle mass … he’ll weigh more then. Yeah I have been weighing myself to try and monitor my progress… perhaps measuring my waist would have been a more appropriate technique. BTW my doctor records my waist measurement (and weight) quite often due to the association between large bellies and clozapine (a popular anti-psychotic) and some serious health risks. I used to be about the skinniest guy in my high school but put on weight due to some psychiatric medications. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/119 "2016-03-25T10:32:38Z")
This is the stupidest thread. **John Clay** , you fucking suck. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/120 "2016-03-25T10:45:39Z")
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