# I pit.... DrFidelius! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916 "2016-03-23T02:26:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/161 "2016-03-27T04:30:52Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > By flat I mean it isn’t sticking out to much. Having muscular abs is ok as well. Look, how many times have people pointed out to you, it ain’t gonna happen? How fucking retarded are you? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/162 "2016-03-27T04:32:15Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Ok I mean I want my belly to be quite flat, not slighter flatter than it is not. Say wha?? ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/163 "2016-03-27T04:34:07Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > See a doctor. Follow the diet they advise. I asked my doctor a while ago. He said that stubborn belly fat is one of the last areas that fat is lost from. Well I’m prepared for that… my wife said that she would still be attracted to me if I was really thin everywhere else while I was trying to lose the stubborn belly fat. I asked my doctor if he could refer me to a dietician and have the government pay for it but he said no because I’m not overweight. Over the months I told him that I was eating a lot of diet jelly, etc (“Jello”) in order to have a low calorie diet. I was also trying to walk at least 10,000 steps per day. As far as how my current diet compares to a typical health professional goes see this: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19210584&postcount=45](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19210584&postcount=45) So I have seen my doctor about it… but I also have been (mostly) following an ebook. The author, Jorge Cruise, has apparently sold about 8 million books and has celebrity clients such as 50 Cent. In his seminars some of his guest speakers are proper doctors. In the back of his ebook he has heaps of cites from scientific journals, etc. I’m not saying that proves his diet works but what about this: today I’m less than 74 kg and that’s the first time that has been the case in several years - yet I’ve been eating heaps and heaps of high fat nuts. My amount of weight loss doesn’t make sense according to the old calories in / calories out formula of weight loss. > [@](#): > > You are not interested in our answers. That’s not true… I’m interested in the answers of **spamforbrains** : [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195240&postcount=29](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195240&postcount=29) As far as your “answer” goes: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195900&postcount=36](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19195900&postcount=36) You were talking about targeting the fat loss area through **exercise** which is irrelevant to what I was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/164 "2016-03-27T04:40:41Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Say wha?? I mean if my belly can’t be _completely_ flat, I want it to at least be quite flat (or have visible abs) > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Look, how many times have people pointed out to you, it ain’t gonna happen? How fucking retarded are you? > [@Trinopus](#): > > You’re flat out of luck, chump. Not even liposuction will give that result. > > At this point, you’re just being a jerk. Ok what about this guy: [http://www.thegabrielmethod.com/about-jon-gabriel](http://www.thegabrielmethod.com/about-jon-gabriel) He was really fat now he has the belly I would like. If he can do it, why is it impossible for me? (BTW I’m currently 162 lbs / 74 kg). Also my belly fat isn’t actually that visceral like I assumed because I am able to do this type of thing: [http://s2.dmcdn.net/ChZ4Q/1280x720-lGy.jpg](http://s2.dmcdn.net/ChZ4Q/1280x720-lGy.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/165 "2016-03-27T04:43:36Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > If he can do it, why is it impossible for me? You’re posting here rather than going out and burning calories. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/166 "2016-03-27T04:53:22Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > You’re posting here rather than going out and burning calories. Posting burns calories especially when I have an overactive brain. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/167 "2016-03-27T05:47:53Z")
Forget it Jake, it’s **JohnClay** town. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/168 "2016-03-27T08:35:24Z")
BTW there is another issue with me trying to lose stubborn belly fat - my mum doesn’t want me to lose any more weight. I told her that my ribs weren’t even visible, etc. Then I found out that my dad is 72 kg and is about the same height as me. He has a lot more muscle than me so I said I should be able to at least get to 72 kg. I also said that a lot of the weight I’ve been losing is “false” belly fat which is trapped waste matter. At my parent’s home I had a lot of high fat nuts and seeds, sausages, avocado, eggs, etc, (as well as vegetables). So she should be satisfied that I’m not eating too few calories. I talked to my parents quite a bit about my diet. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/169 "2016-03-27T08:53:14Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Forget it Jake, it’s **JohnClay** town. He’s his own son AND brother!!! ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/170 "2016-03-27T10:14:47Z")
BTW I asked my dad if I could see his belly. His belly was about as big as mine - maybe bigger - though I saw it front on rather than from the side. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/171 "2016-03-27T10:58:15Z")
How far did you jog yesterday? ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/172 "2016-03-27T11:01:37Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > How far did you jog yesterday? Like I said I tried jogging a bit but haven’t done it lately. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/173 "2016-03-27T11:09:23Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Like I said I tried jogging a bit but haven’t done it lately. So we can log you down for 0 blocks for yesterday then? This kinda hurts my feelings, I thought you liked me and were willing to trust a little. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/174 "2016-03-27T18:48:10Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I asked my doctor a while ago. He said that stubborn belly fat is one of the last areas that fat is lost from. Well I’m prepared for that… my wife said that she would still be attracted to me if I was really thin everywhere else while I was trying to lose the stubborn belly fat. **I asked my doctor if he could refer me to a dietician and have the government pay for it but he said no because I’m not overweight.** (Bolding mine) If your doctor says you don’t need to lose weight, then what the fuck are you doing? > [@](#): > > Over the months I told him that I was eating a lot of diet jelly, etc (“Jello”) in order to have a low calorie diet. Wow. OK. I can’t imagine a Jello diet, but if that works for you, have at it. > [@](#): > > I was also trying to walk at least 10,000 steps per day. Great! Perfect. Exercise sounds like just the ticket for you. > [@](#): > > As far as how my current diet compares to a typical health professional goes see this: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19210584&postcount=45](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19210584&postcount=45) Ummm, ok? > [@](#): > > So I have seen my doctor about it… but I also have been (mostly) following an ebook. The author, Jorge Cruise, has apparently sold about 8 million books and has celebrity clients such as 50 Cent. In his seminars some of his guest speakers are proper doctors. In the back of his ebook he has heaps of cites from scientific journals, etc. I’m not saying that proves his diet works but what about this: today I’m less than 74 kg and that’s the first time that has been the case in several years - yet I’ve been eating heaps and heaps of high fat nuts. My amount of weight loss doesn’t make sense according to the old calories in / calories out formula of weight loss. Are you actually tracking your calories? There is no “alchemy” that makes some calories count less than others. You have to burn more than you take in, in order to lose weight. So to summarize, you are ignoring medical advice, and you would like spot reduction, which doesn’t exist. And you would like everyone on the Board to agree that your magical diet will, in fact, help you. To echo **Guin** , I want a pony. Well, the kind that goes on a car - a Ferrari to be precise. I’m partial to red, but black is fine as well. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/175 "2016-03-27T19:02:26Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > If your doctor says you don’t need to lose weight, then what the fuck are you doing? Having body image issues. > [@](#): > > Wow. OK. I can’t imagine a Jello diet, but if that works for you, have at it. I subsided on little more than bread & water for a couple weeks as a poor entry-level public servant. _Months_ of that boggles the mind. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/176 "2016-03-27T23:03:19Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > (Bolding mine) > > If your doctor says you don’t need to lose weight, then what the fuck are you doing? He said that the government can’t pay for dietician sessions because I’m not overweight. If I want to be a male model I’d need to lose belly fat. > [@](#): > > Wow. OK. I can’t imagine a Jello diet, but if that works for you, have at it. I was having up to 3 bowls in a day. > [@](#): > > Are you actually tracking your calories? There is no “alchemy” that makes some calories count less than others. What about this: > **[A Calorie Is Not A Calorie](https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie/)** > > Food calories affect the body very differently depending on their source and the overall context in which they are consumed. Here is what you need to know. I’m tracking my calories a bit but not the exact figure. > [@](#): > > …So to summarize, you are ignoring medical advice, My doctor said my diet was good. He didn’t say I’m not allowed to lose any more weight. Though my mum did. > [@](#): > > and you would like spot reduction, which doesn’t exist. > **[Spot reduction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_reduction)** > > Spot reduction refers to the claim that fat in a certain area of the body can be targeted for reduction through exercise of specific muscles in that desired area. For example, exercising the abdominal muscles in an effort to lose weight in or around one's midsection. Fitness coaches and medical professionals as well as physiologists consider the claim to be disproved. > Over time it has become clear to trainers and health professionals that the idea of working out certain muscle groups, in order t... WHEN did I say I wanted “spot reduction” (according to the proper definition of spot reduction)? Spot reduction is about using **exercise** not diet. > [@](#): > > And you would like everyone on the Board to agree that your magical diet will, in fact, help you. We’ll see how my diet goes… ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/177 "2016-03-28T00:28:07Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > [snip] … We’ll see how my diet goes… Let’s get some jogging in too … burn that fat ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/178 "2016-03-28T00:54:58Z")
I think we need some pics. Like before and after pics. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/179 "2016-03-28T01:07:25Z")
**Ambi** , IIRC, what the ladies want is more pix of you, lifting. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916/180 "2016-03-28T01:11:18Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I think we need some pics. Like before and after pics. The “before” pic - when I was 80 kg at the start of the year: [![](https://i.imgur.com/ne5JUys.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/ne5JUys.jpg) Notice the bulging belly. It isn’t as bad as lots of other people but I still would like a better looking belly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drfidelius/749916.md?page=10)