# I pit General Casey's political correctness **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807 "2009-11-08T16:17:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/41 "2009-11-09T15:28:35Z")
> [@bri1600bv](#): > > New stories say… Care to provide a link to the stories that say he was actively trying to contact al-Qaeda? ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/42 "2009-11-09T15:43:34Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I didn’t know this was going to become such a Great Debate. > > He said that harming the goal of diversity would be a “greater tragedy” than the loss of 12 innocent lives. > > I repeat …BULL FUCKING SHIT ! I don’t understand why you think that’s bullshit. Explain, please? I don’t want to speculate so I’d prefer it if you spelled it out for me. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/43 "2009-11-09T15:54:03Z")
> [@bri1600bv](#): > > New stories say the military knew that not only was he nuts, he was actively trying to contact Al Queda. So apparently they are “raising their hands”. Good liberals, very tolerant of them. > > Diversity before safety. Probably just a bunch of racist rubes from flyover country he killed anyway. Probably wouldn’t even have had the sense to vote for free health care. New stories say you smell faintly of fish and sleep with your sister on a regular basis (although, then again, who doesn’t?) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/44 "2009-11-09T15:59:50Z")
“Political correctness” is a made up, non-existent, meaningless, bullshit concept contrived as a weaselly way to try to invalidate critiques of bigotry. Yes, legitimizing racial/religious discrimination in the military would, in the long run, be an outcome worse than one freak event precipitated by psychosis that could occur in anyone of any race or religion. Christians go nuts and kill people all the time and no one says shit. One Muslim does it, and everybody’s like ZOMG MUSLIMS ARE GONNA GET US!!! Crawl out from under the table, son. You’re going to be fine. Crazy happens when it happens. It doesn’t discriminate. Guys like this are basically just natural disasters like earthquakes or hurricanes. There’s nothing anyone, including the nutcases themselves, can do to stop it. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/45 "2009-11-09T16:11:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’ve never seen his show, so I don’t really know much about him. But that doesn’t really have anything to do with what I was addressing, anyway. Whatever one might think of FOX, there is no reason to think that they are the only or even the main source of putting the idea out there that “PC-ness” had something to do with letting this guy slip through the cracks. **I’m seeing that idea floated everywhere.** Bolded for emphasis. Based on what I’ve read on other boards, this you’re absolutely right. The bullshit started as soon as people found out the shooter had a middle eastern sounding name. It didn’t come from the media, it come from people posting on message boards. I’m sure the media, like Fox (Og I hate those cocksuckers) had a big hand in spreading it though. Apropos of nothing perhaps, but I found it utterly disturbing how fast people wanted to jump to the conclusion that the shootings were motivated by religious beliefs. I read something, maybe it was here, that if this were a white guy with a American sounding name, most people would have just thought it was a crazy guy. But give the guy a Muslim name and by golly, he just must be one of them eye-slam-ic turrists. And the fucking broad strokes people wanted to paint all Muslims with was positively infuriating. In the end, maybe it will turn out that he really was a terrorist. I don’t know. But I know all of the facts aren’t in and they certainly weren’t an hour after the shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/46 "2009-11-09T16:22:11Z")
Non-Muslim soldiers bitch about the military and get bad evaluations all the time, by the way. I did both. There was nothing so extraordinary about what this dude did that would have attracted particular attention. I knew guys that were telling Navy doctors about having hallucinations and hearing voices having trouble getting the Navy to care. It’s not “political correctness,” it’s normal military inertia. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/47 "2009-11-09T16:41:06Z")
> [@bri1600bv](#): > > It’s not a straw man at all. The OP complained that the military was putting diversity before safety. Apparently they were doing exactly that. No one wanted to even imply that a Muslim was possibly not “peaceful”. In the military that’s known as a “career ending” move. IE RACIST! Now, what brand of people go around imputing racist motives on just about everyone? That would be liberals. Balls, for the following reasons: 1) your apparent assumption that the military deliberately ignored Hasan’s deteriorating mental state out of ‘political correctness’ appears to be pure speculation and is unsupported by any facts known to the public at this point. Straw man. 2) No one that I can see in this thread has called anyone racist. Certainly I, as flaming liberal as they come, haven’t. Straw man. > [@](#): > > Liberals on here jumped on him, “why, next thing you know he’ll be complaining about women’s tampons in the PX.”! Yeah, that’s what he meant. No one but white men should be allowed in the military. Mostly, he got jumped on for writing an incoherent OP. I must point out you are not exactly doing a sterling job on the coherence front yourself. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/48 "2009-11-09T16:55:24Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Balls, for the following reasons: 1) your apparent assumption that the military deliberately ignored Hasan’s deteriorating mental state out of ‘political correctness’ appears to be pure speculation and is unsupported by any facts known to the public at this point. Straw man. 2) No one that I can see in this thread has called anyone racist. Certainly I, as flaming liberal as they come, haven’t. Straw man. TBH, you’d have to be blindingly stupid or willfully ignorant to think that Hasan’s situation was ignored because of PC. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/49 "2009-11-09T17:07:42Z")
There’s no such thing as “PC.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/50 "2009-11-09T17:44:09Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > May I presume from the above that you have no concern about the possibility of _non_-Muslim violent radicals in the armed forces? For instance, the [“Oathkeepers.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=537961) ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/51 "2009-11-09T17:52:45Z")
Wikipedia has a couple useful and interesting pages on [spree killers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer) and [mass murderers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_murderers_and_spree_killers_by_number_of_victims). There sure have been a lot of them. One guy did it with a shotgun and swords. > [@](#): > > Tsuyama massacre (Japan, 1938): Mutsuo Toi, using a shotgun and swords, killed 30[3] and then himself in an hour and a half. Not much information there about which of them were [crazy religious extremists.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein) ---
**Author:** ![bri1600bv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@bri1600bv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bri1600bv)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/52 "2009-11-09T18:18:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > New stories say you smell faintly of fish and sleep with your sister on a regular basis (although, then again, who doesn’t?) Good one. I make a relevent point. And yes, it is in the news, look it up you lazy shit. All you come back with are lame family jokes? You dignified liberal you. You showed me! ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/53 "2009-11-09T18:20:04Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > [T]he OP is just another example of PC, only by the right (Casey is minimizing the sacrifices of Our Brave Fighting Men and Women!!!one!). The right loudly decries political correctness from the left (as it should), but it ignores the fact that it has its own sacred cows, and that it exhibits political correctness with respect to these as much as anyone. God forbid anyone speak ill of Our Brave Fighting Men and Women, or fail to pay sufficient symbolic obeisance to the flag, or the family, or the children, or whatever right-wing shibboleth we are currently worshipping. Bill Maher’s firing post 9-11? Right wing PC. DHS having to quash its own report on the danger of Iraq veterans being recruited to right-wing hate groups? Right-wing PC. The kerfuffle about Obama wearing/not wearing an American flag lapel pin? Right-wing PC. I’ve got an idea–how about we fight PC on both sides of the ideological divide. You’re a bit late. Political correctness became a left-of-center-only phenomenon after the right [framed](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_(social_sciences)) it successfully. The meaning has now changed more or less permanently to mean a sort of enforced _kum ba yah_ secular humanism. ---
**Author:** ![bri1600bv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@bri1600bv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bri1600bv)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/54 "2009-11-09T18:22:05Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Bolded for emphasis. > > Based on what I’ve read on other boards, this you’re absolutely right. The bullshit started as soon as people found out the shooter had a middle eastern sounding name. It didn’t come from the media, it come from people posting on message boards. I’m sure the media, like Fox (Og I hate those cocksuckers) had a big hand in spreading it though. > > Apropos of nothing perhaps, but I found it utterly disturbing how fast people wanted to jump to the conclusion that the shootings were motivated by religious beliefs. I read something, maybe it was here, that if this were a white guy with a American sounding name, most people would have just thought it was a crazy guy. But give the guy a Muslim name and by golly, he just must be one of them eye-slam-ic turrists. And the fucking broad strokes people wanted to paint all Muslims with was positively infuriating. > > In the end, maybe it will turn out that he really was a terrorist. I don’t know. But I know all of the facts aren’t in and they certainly weren’t an hour after the shootings. The guy says at a conference that non-Muslims should be beheaded (after having boiling oil poured down their throats). He hands out Korans a few hours before killing soldiers. He says the war against terrorism is a war against Islam. Based on this, religion had NOTHING to do with his actions. Nothing. Anyone who says they did is RACIST. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder. Do you get more points on how willfully you can ignore reality? Religion had NOTHING to do with the guy who shot the abortionist either. ---
**Author:** ![bri1600bv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@bri1600bv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bri1600bv)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/55 "2009-11-09T18:23:12Z")
> [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](#): > > Wikipedia has a couple useful and interesting pages on [spree killers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spree_killer) and [mass murderers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_murderers_and_spree_killers_by_number_of_victims). > > There sure have been a lot of them. One guy did it with a shotgun and swords. > > Not much information there about which of them were [crazy religious extremists.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein) Religion probably had nothing to do with most of them. Therefore it CAN’T have anything to do with this one. Liberal logic for ya. ---
**Author:** ![bri1600bv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@bri1600bv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bri1600bv)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/56 "2009-11-09T18:24:36Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > TBH, you’d have to be blindingly stupid or willfully ignorant to think that Hasan’s situation was ignored because of PC. Why would you have to be either? His superiors didn’t want to accuse a Muslim of anything, lest they be considered racist. Doesn’t sound too far-fetched to me. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/57 "2009-11-09T18:24:46Z")
> [@bri1600bv](#): > > Good one. I make a relevent point. And yes, it is in the news, look it up you lazy shit. I’m not making any idiotic assertions. Why the fuck should _I_ look it up, you stupid shit? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/58 "2009-11-09T18:29:49Z")
Religion had nothing to do with it. Crazy had everything to do with it. The fact that the crazy expressed itself as religious mania is a normal, and unremarkable part of mental illness. ---
**Author:** ![bri1600bv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@bri1600bv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bri1600bv)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/59 "2009-11-09T18:31:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > “Political correctness” is a made up, non-existent, meaningless, bullshit concept contrived as a weaselly way to try to invalidate critiques of bigotry. > > Yes, legitimizing racial/religious discrimination in the military would, in the long run, be an outcome worse than one freak event precipitated by psychosis that could occur in anyone of any race or religion. Christians go nuts and kill people all the time and no one says shit. One Muslim does it, and everybody’s like ZOMG MUSLIMS ARE GONNA GET US!!! > > Crawl out from under the table, son. You’re going to be fine. Crazy happens when it happens. It doesn’t discriminate. Guys like this are basically just natural disasters like earthquakes or hurricanes. There’s nothing anyone, including the nutcases themselves, can do to stop it. This is exactly the kind of idiotic, sloppy thinking I’m talking about. Christians, or people who nominally are, kill people. But do they do it because of their religion? Or in spite of it? Do they go around telling people that “God commands me to kill”? If so, they’d probably get locked up. This guy did everything but carry a sign saying he was a time bomb and it was ignored. So IT ISN’T LIKE AN EARTHQUAKE AT ALL. Only a goddamn fool would say that. Earthquakes can’t be predicted, this could have been. And it has nothing to do with “OMG Muslims will get us”, which is your shorthand for ridiculing ignorant/xenophoic people. THIS PARTICULAR MUSLIM could have been stopped, but wasn’t. That’s the problem. And yes, it’s policitical correctness. Anyone who complains would get shouted down by self-righteous pricks like you who would denounce them as racists and pat themselves on the back. It doesn’t matter how many times the complainers couch themselves in “I’m not against Muslims but…”, or “I know 99%+ of Muslims are nice people but there’s this guy who’s going around saying non-Muslims should be beheaded…not sure if should be counseling our soldiers”, idiots like you can’t wait to jump down their throats and denounce them as racists. ---
**Author:** ![bri1600bv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@bri1600bv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bri1600bv)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807/60 "2009-11-09T18:33:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m not making any idiotic assertions. Why the fuck should _I_ look it up, you stupid shit? > **[Officials: U.S. Army Told of Hasan's Contacts with al Qaeda](https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873)** > > U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News. It is not known whether... Here you go douche bag. Yes, anyone who could possibly say anything negative about this poor opressed Muslim is not believable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-general-caseys-political-correctness/516807.md?page=4)