I can explain it. If the principle is that Republicans win, and that Republicans winning is the only right and just result of Democracy (if it wasn’t for those wrong people being able to vote) then a principled party can come to that decision.
Which will likely involve something about “It’s perfectly legal,” just as he grants that the brouhaha for the Senate election in Massachusetts was perfectly legal.
That said, if someone would care to throw a cite at me that Nebraska is changing their electoral college rules, I’d appreciate it.
Yes. Although if the position is simply taken by legislators, and not the party as a whole, then no.
Either way, it’s hard to see how the change could be called “furthering democracy,” so even if it’s not hypocritcal, what you describe in Nebraska is looking to halt, or more accurately limit, democracy.
As screwed up as things might have been, it doesn’t give people the right to peddle untruths about it.
By the way, it might surprise you and others to learn that I never voted for GWB. Not in 2000, not in 2004. So, although gonzomax’s boy lost, I don’t have the attitude that my guy won.
So, it appears you’re not quite as prescient as you might have thought.
You’re missing my point entirely. As far as I can tell, the “if all the votes had actually been counted, Gore would have won” argument is based on a whole bunch of qualifications and so forth, and is not at all what I’m talking about.
My point is that in a democracy, the absolute core fundamental principle of government is that elections are fair, transparent, well-run, etc., so that they can count the intended votes of the voters in as efficient a fashion as possible. The FL election was none of those. It featured purged voter rolls, misleading ballots, was overseen by partisan politicians, in a state whose governor was one candidate’s brother, and eventually the supreme court, on partisan lines, voted to STOP RECOUNTING. Think about that for a second… people were trying to do something to more accurately determine the will of the voters, and the supreme court made them STOP DOING SO. Viewed in isolation, that little utterly fundamental detail is absolutely damning, and yet it’s just taken for granted.
It’s an absolute stunning black eye to the basic principle of American democracy, even ignoring its incredible impact (who knew how important the period of 2000-2004 was going to end up being in American history?). So, my point is, for you to treat in a smug, cavalier, “your boy lost, get over it” way, shows a stunning disregard on YOUR part towards American democracy itself.
(That’s right, Daily Kos, as lefty as all git out. If they’re lying, prove it or suck it…)
June, 2011: Republicans pass a bill, which the Republican governor signs, eliminating the same-day voter registration law that Republicans had passed 38 years ago. The goal, they said, was stemming the rampant voter fraud that allowed Democrats to steal elections willy-nilly. No, I’m not making this up:
Shortly after, that same state Republican Party chairman turned over 200+ names of college students to Secretary of State Charlie Summers, alleging VOTER FRAUD!
Well, guess what? This morning the results are in, and Republicans have once again lived up to their reputation as the boil on America’s butt:
One? One incident? Really? Only one? But what about those hundreds of devious, dastardly, election-rigging college students?
It is easy to understand. The Repubs have no problems lying and cheating to win elections. The concept of fair play does not matter. It is about winning.
Gore won. That is why the SCOTUS interfered. That is why Harris was in such a hurry to certify. Given enough time, she wouldn’t have been happy with the results.
But Gore lost Tennessee. That was inexcusable.
In other news the Great state of Maine is taking away it’s 38 year old policy of allowing same day registration. This policy has not resulted in any fraud and the state has had no issues processing the registrations.
I loved this gem, Republican consultant Matt Gagnon, openly admits he wants to subvert democracy.
[QUOTE=Matt Gagnon]
The only people I want anywhere near a ballot box are those who have demonstrated they are actually invested enough in the process that they want to vote. That is the flaw with same-day voter registration: most of the people it serves are unengaged in the process.
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So Republicans should get final say in who is ‘sufficiently engaged’. Screw that Democracy, thing one man one vote. We have to set standards on what citizens are actually worthy of voting.
Of course then their own members would never participate in a process that would demonstrate they themselves lack sufficient engagement in the voting process, like say using the same day voter registration program, except of course:
[QUOTE=Morning Sentinel]
Voting records reveal Gov. Paul LePage, at least two state senators and seven state representatives have at one time registered to vote on Election Day or during the two business days preceding it. That practice is banned under the new law they all supported.
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In Colorado the Republican Secretary of State is suing a City Clerk for mailing ballots to all registered voters including inactive voters. You are considered inactive if you didn’t vote in the previous years election.
How much do you want to bet some Republicans blame the Democrats for all these rules when it turns out that more Republican than Democrat voters were turned away in some county?