# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")
I know the Republican party believes in freedom, but I guess the freedom to make medical choices without [having something inserted into you](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scott-walker-quietly-signs-bill-requiring-ultrasounds-for-wisconsin-abortions.php?ref=fpb) unnecessarily is just a step too far. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/2 "2013-07-05T20:32:17Z")
> [@](#): > > “This bill improves a woman’s ability to make an informed choice that will protect her physical \*\*and mental health \*\*now and in the future,” the blurb noting the signing said. (Bolding mine) Aw, isn’t that thoughtful of them? Looking out for you silly women’s mental health? Years from now, you might still be distraught with regret and scorch your husbands’ shirts while ironing them. Actually, as a believer in “the worse the better,” I’m glad the GOP has declared war on women, and not just the poor. The poor need the alliance of a voting block with higher educations and professional skills. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/3 "2013-07-05T20:34:51Z")
Think you may have mischaracterized in thread title. When I went with my lady to her ultrasound to find out I was gonna have a son, it only required some type of jelly on her stomach with the tech running some type of probe over it and snapping some pictures. It didn’t require any insertions that I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/4 "2013-07-05T20:42:06Z")
Some ultrasounds can be done without insertions. However, some do require a wand to be inserted into the vagina. If the goal is to punish a woman for seeking an abortion, then the kind that requires an insertion is usually the kind that the lawmakers specify. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/5 "2013-07-05T20:42:21Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > It didn’t require any insertions that I can remember. Well, none except yours, I assume. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![apollonia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2bfe46/32.png) [@apollonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apollonia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/6 "2013-07-05T20:47:37Z")
Traditional ultrasounds can be done on the outside of the belly. Transvaginal ultrasounds, where the wand is inserted into the vagina, can be more accurate and clearer especially in very early pregnancy, when most women are seeking abortions. It stands to reason that people are concerned that women will be forced into an invasive, uncomfortable ultrasound for no good medical reason, solely because some lawmakers think it’s a dandy idea. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/7 "2013-07-05T21:01:45Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > …The poor need the alliance of a voting block with higher educations and professional skills. That was America 1.0. America 2.0 has lots of people with higher education and skills who are poor as dirt. If dirt has $100 grand in student loans. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/8 "2013-07-05T21:38:19Z")
This subject depresses me utterly. My preferred mode is snark and humor, but this sort of shit renders that impossible. Puppy Dopers mostly don’t remember that Bad Old Days, and praise the Goddess they don’t have to. None of my son’s friends have ever burned a draft card, or really know what horror lurked in the phrase “selective service”. Good. I have a dear friend, had for years. She was young, she was silly, and she was, in the phrase, “first time lucky”. She scraped up what money she could for an illegal abortion. It went badly, and she nearly died. But she lost any chance for a better pregnancy. Became a pediatrician, bless her heart. I have no humor about these issues, only rage. _Goddamit!_ Never again! **Never!** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/9 "2013-07-05T22:01:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women** 😕 . . . There are time when it’s unnecessary?! ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/10 "2013-07-05T22:34:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > This subject depresses me utterly. My preferred mode is snark and humor, but this sort of shit renders that impossible. Puppy Dopers mostly don’t remember that Bad Old Days, and praise the Goddess they don’t have to. None of my son’s friends have ever burned a draft card, or really know what horror lurked in the phrase “selective service”. Good. > > I have a dear friend, had for years. She was young, she was silly, and she was, in the phrase, “first time lucky”. She scraped up what money she could for an illegal abortion. It went badly, and she nearly died. But she lost any chance for a better pregnancy. Became a pediatrician, bless her heart. > > I have no humor about these issues, only rage. _Goddamit!_ Never again! **Never!** She was a woman who had sex. According to Republic “logic” she deserved anything bad that ever happened to her after she did that. My own late mother had an illegal abortion after she was raped. Thankfully she had a clean illegal abortion and nothing happened to her as a result of the abortion so she had me and my brother. The choices are abortion safe and legal or abortion unsafe and illegal. It continues to utterly disgust me how most Republican men still vastly prefer the latter. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/11 "2013-07-05T22:49:05Z")
I wonder how this bill would stand up in court. If one accepts a right to privacy, one would assume that the state has no business mandating a probe being inserted into her hop-hoo. In fact, the state should not be able to mandate even the external ultrasound. BTW, let’s not forget the good legislators who wrote this bill in the first place. The Governor signed it into law, but the legislators drummed it up in the first place! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/12 "2013-07-05T22:50:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I wonder how this bill would stand up in court. If one accepts a right to privacy, one would assume that the state has no business mandating a probe being inserted into her hop-hoo. In fact, the state should not be able to mandate even the external ultrasound. I’m sure they rationalize it as voluntary, since the womean is free to leave without the ultrasound, or the abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/13 "2013-07-05T23:06:51Z")
Well she already had to have something invasive done to get pregnant and will probably need something invasive done to be aborted. I really do get the part about having a choice about who gets to ramble about in my plumbing and sometimes medical procedures take precedence. Pap smears, D&C, cryogenic surgery for precancerous HPV or cancer itself. I’ve had this procedure and there really is nothing torturous about it. As far as I’m concerned it’s all political leverage on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/14 "2013-07-05T23:16:54Z")
Oh, now I’m all ticked off! My bottom line? No man should have anything to do with this issue until women have already made the decision. And only then should they be allowed to express concerns, considerations which may or may not be reviewed. My double bottom line - no intelligent woman has much of an excuse for an accidental pregnancy these days. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/15 "2013-07-05T23:22:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I know the Republican party believes in freedom, but I guess the freedom to make medical choices without [having something inserted into you](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scott-walker-quietly-signs-bill-requiring-ultrasounds-for-wisconsin-abortions.php?ref=fpb) unnecessarily is just a step too far. > [@](#): > > Under the bill, any woman seeking an abortion would have to get an ultrasound. The technician would have to point out the fetus’ visible organs and external features to the woman. Abortion providers would have to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles to perform the procedures. > > Republican supporters argue the ultrasound requirement is designed to help the woman bond with the fetus and convince her to save it. The admitting privileges mandate is meant to ensure an abortion provider can follow up with a patient at the hospital if an emergency arises, they say. 😕 Wait, what? ISTM any qualified doctor in the hospital would do in that situation. Why does it have to be the abortion provider? ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/16 "2013-07-06T00:02:47Z")
It has to be the abortion provider so that all freestanding clinics will now have to close and abortions will be less available. ---
**Author:** ![MLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/919ad9/32.png) [@MLS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MLS)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/17 "2013-07-06T02:31:52Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > Oh, now I’m all ticked off! > > My bottom line? No man should have anything to do with this issue until women have already made the decision. And only then should they be allowed to express concerns, considerations which may or may not be reviewed. > > My double bottom line - no intelligent woman has much of an excuse for an accidental pregnancy these days. I hope that double bottom line is a whoosh. It’s entirely possible for an intelligent woman (or any other kind) to have birth control fail or to be raped. I know two women personally who had gone to the trouble of getting a tubal ligation, only to become pregnant a couple of years later. In both cases, the women had ample means to provide for the baby, did not have any medical condition indicating the pregnancy was dangerous, and welcomed the “surprise” addition to the family. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/18 "2013-07-06T02:40:03Z")
> [@MLS](#): > > I know two women personally who had gone to the trouble of getting a tubal ligation, only to become pregnant a couple of years later. How is that possible? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/19 "2013-07-06T02:45:45Z")
[Thread from 2004](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=232846) From [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4424319&postcount=2) by **don’t ask.** > [@](#): > > The failure rate of a tubal ligation is 3 to 20 per 1000 (younger women fail more often). ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/20 "2013-07-06T03:05:03Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Some ultrasounds can be done without insertions. However, some do require a wand to be inserted into the vagina. If the goal is to punish a woman for seeking an abortion, then the kind that requires an insertion is usually the kind that the lawmakers specify. Whew. The Wisconsin law says: > [@](#): > > 253.10 (3g) Performance of ultrasound. (a) Except as provided under sub. (3m) and except in a medical emergency and before a person may perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman, the physician who is to perform or induce the abortion, or any physician requested by the pregnant woman, shall do all of the following: > > 1. Perform, or arrange for a person who is qualified to perform an ultrasound to perform, an obstetric ultrasound on the pregnant woman \*\*using whichever transducer the woman chooses \*\*after the options have been explained to her. So we can conclude, based on your analysis, that this bill is probably NOT intended to punish women to seek an abortion. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=2)