# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/901 "2013-07-24T15:47:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, you’re not confident. You’re willing to _pretend_ to be confident but not actually risk anything. I’ve put up a wager of two bucks. You’ve put up _nothing_. Despite my I-hope-obvious contempt for the idea of a wager in the first place, and my announced intent to mock you even if you won, the two dollars will be real money. Well, it’s Canadian money. You’re free to view it as you wish. > [@](#): > > No stigma attaches to you on this board for being wrong in such a good cause, after all. Good, you agree it’s a good cause. Thread’s over, I guess. > [@](#): > > You’re free to flap your gums until proven wrong, at which point the dialogue will shift to wondering why I am bringing up that past, telling me to stop gloating, and sorrowfully announcing that the writer has lost “all respect” for me and how I used to be so reasonable…because here, “reasonable” is defined as not calling people out on being wrong, as long their wrongness was in support of the preferred narrative Ah, Bricker Bricker Bricker… I never had any respect for you. Frankly, that some people on this board are impressed by you is astonishing to me, and that some people praise you for occasionally dialing back your crazy from extreme to moderately extreme is baffling. > [@](#): > > A wager changes that. A wager makes you actually risk something – it places a cost on your ability to claim confidence when none is there. I’ve got two dollars worth of confidence. So far you have nothing worth of nothing. I asked for your idea of a worthy stake and got “a bit of money”. My request for specificity went ignored. I provisionally declare your offer of a wager to be fraudulent - your real purpose was to create a fiction from which you could try to argue that you were winning on some tenuous moral basis. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/902 "2013-07-24T17:02:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’ve put up a wager of two bucks. You’ve put up _nothing_. I accepted your wager. How is that nothing? Indeed, I’ve hinted that I’d accept a higher offer. And I will: I’ll bet you USD $100. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/903 "2013-07-24T18:21:34Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is one of the outright lies, “This is your baby’s arm?” Still not sure what you’re on about, here. If you are done defending your dignity, perhaps you’ll explain? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/904 "2013-07-24T18:50:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Still not sure what you’re on about, here. If you are done defending your dignity, perhaps you’ll explain? The press release claims outright lies but fails to identify any of them. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/905 "2013-07-24T18:57:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is one of the outright lies, “This is your baby’s arm?” Actually, the more usual lie is “It’s **bigger** than a baby’s arm.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/906 "2013-07-24T19:01:16Z")
> [@](#): > > The press release claims outright lies but fails to identify any of them. There’s this wonderful gadget available, called the intertubes. Perhaps you’ve heard? And the google, perhaps? “naral pregnancy crisis center misinformation” gives us quite an array to choose from. I just grabbed off the top one. [http://www.naralva.org/what-is-choice/cpc/common-lies.shtml](http://www.naralva.org/what-is-choice/cpc/common-lies.shtml) **Common Lies Told by Crisis Pregnancy Centers** Glad to help! Fighting ignorance also includes fighting \*willful \*ignorance. A bit harder, but needful. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/907 "2013-07-24T19:57:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I accepted your wager. When? I must have missed your acceptance among all the sneering about fake confidence and whatnot. > [@](#): > > Indeed, I’ve hinted that I’d accept a higher offer. And I will: I’ll bet you USD $100. Nah, $2 will be fine. If SCOTUS sustains the ultrasound requirement, I’ll send you a Canadian two-collar coin. If they strike it down, I expect an American two-dollar bill. If they decline the case, then whatever the last lower court said determines the winner. See you in ten years, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/908 "2013-07-24T20:04:40Z")
On further examination, I see this in post #841: > [@Bricker](#): > > Accept bet in principle. Yeah, I’m not counting that as an acceptance. The qualifier prevents it. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/909 "2013-07-24T20:06:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > . . . Indeed, I’ve hinted that I’d accept a higher offer. And I will: I’ll bet you USD $100. The reason not to take that bet doesn’t lie in one’s lack of confidence in the Supreme Court’s decision, but in one’s lack of confidence in you actually paying. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/910 "2013-07-24T20:16:06Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The reason not to take that bet doesn’t lie in one’s lack of confidence in the Supreme Court’s decision, but in one’s lack of confidence in you actually paying. As one who has won 3 out of 4 bets with **Bricker** , I can say without reservation that he pays his debts. He’s like a Lannister that way; take your pick. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/911 "2013-07-24T20:16:16Z")
Oh, I’m confident Bricker will cough up two bucks but, yes, I expect a SCOTUS decision to be a near 50/50 kinda thing, as the court now stands. If Scalia/Thomas/Roberts/Alito (or some subset thereof) leaves the court in the near future, letting Obama replace them, I daresay the odds improve for me. If Republicans recapture the Senate and the White House in 2016 and Kennedy/Breyer/Ginsburg leave the court afterward (not an unlikely event; the youngest of them is now 74) allowing a Republican to replace them, the odds shift to Bricker. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/912 "2013-07-24T20:24:55Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Actually, the more usual lie is “It’s **bigger** than a baby’s arm.” The lie could also be “baby”. It’s a fetus. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/913 "2013-07-24T20:26:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > When? I must have missed your acceptance among all the sneering about fake confidence and whatnot. > > Nah, $2 will be fine. If SCOTUS sustains the ultrasound requirement, I’ll send you a Canadian two-collar coin. If they strike it down, I expect an American two-dollar bill. If they decline the case, then whatever the last lower court said determines the winner. > > See you in ten years, maybe. Done. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/914 "2013-07-24T20:28:03Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > The reason not to take that bet doesn’t lie in one’s lack of confidence in the Supreme Court’s decision, but in one’s lack of confidence in you actually paying. I’ve got a perfect track record. I’ve won and lost many wagers here in the more than thirteen years I’ve been a member of this board, and I have never once refused to pay. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/915 "2013-07-24T20:46:09Z")
You could both send your money to someone of spotless integrity to hold in a crow. A Texan would be ideal, given their reputation for straightforward candor. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/916 "2013-07-24T20:47:51Z")
Well, once the crow has swallowed the four bucks, how do we get it back? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/917 "2013-07-24T20:57:31Z")
How should I know, i’m not a lawyer. Considered it, once, but my grandmother begged me not to besmirch the family heritage of bootleggers and horse thieves. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/918 "2013-07-24T21:16:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, once the crow has swallowed the four bucks, how do we get it back? Just give me five minutes with that crow and promise to ask no questions afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/919 "2013-07-24T21:43:48Z")
Okay, but first [you have to look at this](http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Childrens_Museum_of_Indianapolis_-_American_crow_egg_side.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/920 "2013-07-24T22:12:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, you’re not confident. You’re willing to _pretend_ to be confident but not actually risk anything. No stigma attaches to you on this board for being wrong in such a good cause, after all. You’re free to flap your gums until proven wrong, at which point the dialogue will shift to wondering why I am bringing up that past, telling me to stop gloating, and sorrowfully announcing that the writer has lost “all respect” for me and how I used to be so reasonable…because here, “reasonable” is defined as not calling people out on being wrong, as long their wrongness was in support of the preferred narrative. > > A wager changes that. A wager makes you actually risk something – it places a cost on your ability to claim confidence when none is there. So now an overconfident prediction needs some kind of consequence? Because … ? It’s so awful when someone on the internet is overconfident? It might be because they are misinformed, or because they are being hyperbolic, or because they are grandstanding for rhetorical purposes, or misdirecting for propaganda purposes, or it might be just because whatever authority came down with a decision was wrong. It happens. In any of these cases, what is the need for some kind of deterrent sanction? Is this really a monstrous evil, especially when there are people on this board who _don’t_ engage in this kind of behavior? I mean, come on, Bricker. You are often smart, you are often right, you are always rhetorically precise, but sometimes you go off the rails, by misunderstanding (purposely?) the subject of an argument (is it legal or is it right?). It’s almost Aspergerish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=47)