# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/941 "2013-07-25T16:37:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What would make that OK is getting the legislature to agree to it and the governor to sign it. Well, until SCOTUS weighs in, of course. > [@](#): > > This despite the fact that acquiring a firearm is a constitutional right whose existence arises from the actual printed text of the constitution, and the right to an abortion appears only in the penumbras and emanations of the constitution. Well, that’s SCOTUS for ya… ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/942 "2013-07-25T17:03:19Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What a load of self-serving, self-pitying, sour-grapes bullshit, as if valid arguments against mandatory ultrasounds don’t exist (indeed _cannot_ exist) and are only fabricated in the name of liberal groupthink. > > Here’s a sanction suggestion, if you feel one is warranted; sanction us with your absence if your soul suffers such torment in this place. Punish us with your departure. Climb boldly from Hell. I have pitted Bricker many a time myself, and I actually don’t find this whole betting thing bothersome at all. I mean, I might not describe it quite as pompously as he does, but it’s certainly the case that the SDMB is overwhelmingly liberal, and that there are times when that overwhelmingly liberalness leads to people getting carried away and making overbroad claims with overcertainty. And even if bets never actually get made, I think it’s a useful way to get people to stop and think about precisely what they’re saying. “GWBush/Obama is going to suspend elections and declare himself dictator for life”. “Really? Do you actually really think that is going to happen? Literally? If so, want to make $100?”. I think that the SDMB is poorly served by either (a) having people make extremely far-fetched claims, or (b) people using hyperbolic language that doesn’t sound like it’s hyperbolic so we think they’re making far-fetched claims. And I think the concept of wagering on those claims is a good way to apply the equivalent of a dash of cold water to the face, even if no bet ends up being made. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/943 "2013-07-25T17:40:08Z")
Oh, I don’t care about his apparent propensity for wagering (about which I’d no idea prior to this thread), it’s that he self-servingly buries the distinction between “valid viewpoint that disagrees with mine” and “liberacy conspiracy groupthink propaganda Communist-inspired America-destroying hyperbolic stopthought baby-killing get-thee-behind-me-Satan freckled froths of terror from numbed sheeplike lips”. Well, he actually only said “terror”, the rest was admitted embellishment. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/944 "2013-07-25T18:05:19Z")
Or emanations. Penumbras. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/945 "2013-07-25T22:57:53Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > That’s very interesting. The state-fleeing episode was strange, but it seemed to play better than that outside of Wisconsin, like they were resorting to anything to defend the rights of unions. > > Likewise, from outside WI it doesn’t look like Walker and (maybe less certainly) much of his legislature can keep their jobs. Their actions are practically causing riots in the statehouse, they ran on what appears to be sheer deception, the population doesn’t agree with anything they’re doing, etc. If that doesn’t paint an enormous target on them come re-election time, I don’t know what would. Would it surprise you to learn that virtually identical sentiments were aired here during the recall effort? And that the crowd here fell all over themselves agreeing that Walker would be recalled? And then when that didn’t happen, the flock turned to assuring each other that Walker was soon to be indicted? And that efforts to remind people of their inaccurate perceptions after the indictment investigation closed with no indictment of Walker was met with suggestions that I made my point and should not focus on the past? Because that’s how you all do it. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, he actually only said “terror”, the rest was admitted embellishment. Sure. That’s how you do it, too. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/946 "2013-07-25T23:07:37Z")
Well, gosh, **Bricker** , if you feel you are unfairly treated, you should have said something! Its not good to keep that sort of thing all bottled up, it curdles your _chi_. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/947 "2013-07-25T23:21:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Or emanations. Penumbras. :dubious: Ya know, that kinda dirty talk is why there are so many unwanted pregnancies! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/948 "2013-07-25T23:49:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. That’s how you do it, too. Ah, but the difference is I’m mocking you personally. I feel no compulsion whatsoever to talk vaguely of right-wing social movements unable to handle the truth and oppressing poor little me without actually giving an example of such. That’s crybaby talk. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/949 "2013-07-25T23:57:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Ah, but the difference is I’m mocking you personally. I feel no compulsion whatsoever to talk vaguely of right-wing social movements unable to handle the truth and oppressing poor little me without actually giving an example of such. That’s crybaby talk. I gave examples. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/950 "2013-07-26T00:19:16Z")
What, stuff from the Zimmerman thread? Irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/951 "2013-07-26T02:35:09Z")
“Pro-lifers”, totally not about a sexist, theocratic desire to hurt women just for being women, nooooo sir: [Public Shaming - 14 Year Old Women’s Rights Activist Attacked Online, Labeled “Slut,” “Whore”](http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/56467925777/14-year-old-womens-rights-activist-attacked-online) ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/952 "2013-07-26T02:49:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Would it surprise you to learn that virtually identical sentiments were aired here during the recall effort? And that the crowd here fell all over themselves agreeing that Walker would be recalled? Not really. I didn’t learn about this issue yesterday yanno. I agreed with the recall effort myself, but it only knocked out a few legislators and that was that. They’re quite uncommon, and I don’t expect people who narrowly survive them to go on to be re-elected. To me it says they’ve pissed off too many people for that. > [@](#): > > And then when that didn’t happen, the flock turned to assuring each other that Walker was soon to be indicted? Meh, I didn’t follow that issue. McDonnell is the guy to watch if you want to see a governor get taken out by means other than a recall. > [@](#): > > And that efforts to remind people of their inaccurate perceptions after the indictment investigation closed with no indictment of Walker was met with suggestions that I made my point and should not focus on the past? Focus on the past if that is what you want to do. People were wrong and you weren’t? Enjoy it, because I don’t think that will be the case with this ultrasound business. I think you like this board because there are a lot of people here who can mount an intelligent defense of their positions, even when those positions don’t pan out. I think if you went to a message board where the majority agreed with you and Walker and McCrory and Perry &etc, you’d soon be frustrated with how those posters are mostly dumber than stumps. I’m not going to tell you to beat it, but I think what you’re seeing here is what the majority of intelligent people think. The process is the process is the process, yes, but if you look at the big picture it should be clear that the process is perverted by big money interests, especially since _Citizens United_, and that some of the true intent of the \*design \*of the process is lost because of that. > [@](#): > > Because that’s how you all do it. What, don’t admit when we’re wrong? Pffft! If I knew everything I wouldn’t come here. If you want to pit the 'dope, start a new thread. This one is about (yes, governor) Walker and his asinine, dishonest sonogram bill, what a prick that guy is, and if it hasn’t already been mentioned, his uncanny resemblance to a Down’s Syndrome sufferer. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/953 "2013-07-26T03:00:16Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > “Pro-lifers”, totally not about a sexist, theocratic desire to hurt women just for being women, nooooo sir: [Public Shaming - 14 Year Old Women’s Rights Activist Attacked Online, Labeled “Slut,” “Whore”](http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/56467925777/14-year-old-womens-rights-activist-attacked-online) I wonder if any of the people claiming the girl is a whore are willing to put money on it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/954 "2013-07-26T03:36:25Z")
Is this about the political predictive acuity of Dopers, the moral and human effect of these laws, or **Bricker** ’s dignity? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/955 "2013-07-26T04:02:07Z")
I daresay it’s something of a grab bag. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/956 "2013-07-26T04:04:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I daresay it’s something of a grab bag. :mad: See post #947. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/957 "2013-07-26T04:37:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :mad: See post #947. Yeah, yeah… there’s room for smart-assery, too. Though there’s a significant aspect to what you were responding to - sure, Bricker can express… I dunno… contempt? dismay? cynicism? I’m sure he’ll be glad to clarify his feelings on the matter… dislike for SCOTUS spelunking up some emanations and penumbras, but judicial review is part of the process and has been since _Marbury_. I figure it’s okay for me to state this obvious fact, since Bricker has mentioned at least twice that laws get passed by legislators and signed by governers… duh, as if this was insightful or contributing. After the legislature and executive get their chance, the judiciary can weigh in, too, as long as someone challenges the law and it’s inconceivable that something as intrusive as Wisconsin’s latest doggerel would escape. Anyway, SCOTUS found a way to side with Roe, and to some extent with Planned Parenthood… it’s not at all unreasonable to see a good chance they won’t overall like this ultrasound requirement. I’m sure _Scalia_ will love it, but I’m hoping he won’t be with the majority on this. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/958 "2013-07-26T15:22:35Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Meh, I didn’t follow that issue. McDonnell is the guy to watch if you want to see a governor get taken out by means other than a recall. How else would he be “taken out?” That sounds ominous. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/959 "2013-07-26T15:26:19Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > “Pro-lifers”, totally not about a sexist, theocratic desire to hurt women just for being women, nooooo sir: [Public Shaming - 14 Year Old Women’s Rights Activist Attacked Online, Labeled “Slut,” “Whore”](http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/56467925777/14-year-old-womens-rights-activist-attacked-online) Yes, there will always be unfortunate extremists. That’s an example of people who call themselves pro-life acting very poorly. But you don’t see me posting: “Pro-choicers, totally about the health and safety of women, oh, yeah: [nothing to see here, move along.](http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Gosnells-House-of-Horrors-Abortion-Equipment-Shown-to-Public-210010521.html).” Because I recognize that this is not representative of the pro-choice position at large. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/960 "2013-07-26T15:32:24Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I think you like this board because there are a lot of people here who can mount an intelligent defense of their positions, even when those positions don’t pan out. Yes. Because I believe that any position I hold should be defensible against a motivated attacker. If I find myself holding a position that collapses under an intelligent and motivated critique, I abandon it. As I have done, here, more than once. > [@](#): > > I think if you went to a message board where the majority agreed with you and Walker and McCrory and Perry &etc, you’d soon be frustrated with how those posters are mostly dumber than stumps. No, here I disagree. I wouldn’t spend time there simple because I don’t see the value i having an echo chamber confirm my own beliefs; I could invest in a collection of bobble-head dolls for that purpose. I’m here not because others who agree with me are somehow bereft of reasoning, but because here I can count on a vigorous challenge. But must I take the chaff with the wheat? Can’t I point out the dishonest, foolish, or go-along-with-the-herd people at the same time I’m enjoying the fruits of their smarter cousins? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=49)