# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/961 "2013-07-26T15:34:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But must I take the chaff with the wheat? Can’t I point out the dishonest, foolish, or go-along-with-the-herd people at the same time I’m enjoying the fruits of their smarter cousins? What does it get you? ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/962 "2013-07-26T15:49:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, there will always be unfortunate extremists. That’s an example of people who call themselves pro-life acting very poorly. > > But you don’t see me posting: “Pro-choicers, totally about the health and safety of women, oh, yeah: [nothing to see here, move along.](http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Gosnells-House-of-Horrors-Abortion-Equipment-Shown-to-Public-210010521.html).” > > Because I recognize that this is not representative of the pro-choice position at large. Except Gosnell was somebody who pro-choicers are against, and believe only exists due to the actions of the pro-life people making abortions unsafe beyond just the medical procedure - what with them murdering doctors, lying to patients, harassing people on the street, etc. If the pro-choice people got their way, Gosnell wouldn’t exist. If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts as they want, while making crude sexual attacks and rape threats against them. What you posted is a huge false equivalency, which is to be expected, as you’re a conservative - actually making an honest argument is beyond you. The fact of the matter is that most pro-lifers probably DO think like those people posted. That is how they act. If they didn’t, Savita Halappanavar wouldn’t have died, and the Catholic church wouldn’t wish death on a 9 year old girl just for being raped. Unless you think the Catholic church are “unfortunate extremists” ? Because at the end of the day, the actions are very, very clear - when life saving medical procedures are done, pro-lifers bitch and moan and cry. Their _actions_ make it very clear that saving the life of women, to them, is a bad thing. Attacking a 14 year old girl with sexual attacks really isn’t beyond them, and I see no reason to think why it would be. There is no fucking excuse for that. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/963 "2013-07-26T16:36:56Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts as they want, while making crude sexual attacks and rape threats against them. No. This is simply not true. I doubt you even believe it. But in the unlikely event that you do, it’s still untrue, and you’re a fool, as opposed to a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/964 "2013-07-26T16:37:58Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > What does it get you? Brief quieting of a raging heart. See post #963. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/965 "2013-07-26T17:03:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No. This is simply not true. > > I doubt you even believe it. But in the unlikely event that you do, it’s still untrue, and you’re a fool, as opposed to a liar. Are you claiming that these people are somehow unable to do that? That that is against the law? Keep in mind this was meant as a counterpoint to doctors performing botched abortions to put people’s health at risk - pro choicers don’t want that, they’re against that, they want that to be legally punished, it is not what they support or had wanted, and in fact the opposite. Are you now calling for the legal punishment of the people attacking that girl? Are you thinking your fellow pro-lifers will do the same? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/966 "2013-07-26T17:16:52Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts as they want, while making crude sexual attacks and rape threats against them. What? They can do that **now.** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/967 "2013-07-26T17:17:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Brief quieting of a raging heart. See post #963. Must it be brief? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/968 "2013-07-26T17:20:52Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > Are you claiming that these people are somehow unable to do that? That that is against the law? > > Keep in mind this was meant as a counterpoint to doctors performing botched abortions to put people’s health at risk - pro choicers don’t want that, they’re against that, they want that to be legally punished, it is not what they support or had wanted, and in fact the opposite. > > Are you now calling for the legal punishment of the people attacking that girl? Are you thinking your fellow pro-lifers will do the same? Absolutely not. As odious as their insults are, the First Amendment protects them. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/969 "2013-07-26T18:10:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Absolutely not. As odious as their insults are, the First Amendment protects them. So point out to me where I lied. There is a difference between what the doctor did and what these pro-lifers are doing. Pro-choice people WANT to shut that doctor down and see him arrested. Pro-life people don’t want to get the people calling a 14 year old girl a slut arrested. Neither do I, mind you - but claiming there’s some sort of equivalency when the doctor is seen as an unfortunate consequence that needs to be prevented is just you desperately trying to grasp at straws and change the subject to avoid the fact that yes, most pro-lifers really are complete jackasses who want to hurt women. Pro-choice people believe that if abortion was fully accepted, stuff like that doctor wouldn’t happen, and the world would be better off. I mean, do you seriously believe that if abortion was banned, “religious” people wouldn’t harass women for being “sluts”? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/970 "2013-07-26T18:30:13Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > So point out to me where I lied. Sure. You said, “If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts as they want, while making crude sexual attacks and rape threats against them.” It’s not true to imply that pro-life people wish to be able to call teenage girls whores or sluts. Nor do they wish to attack them crudely, sexually, or otherwise. And certainly they don’t wish to threaten them with rape. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/971 "2013-07-26T18:36:36Z")
No, they generally only wish to \*think \*of women as morally inferior, even of only a few wish to (or have the integrity to) say so directly. Forcing those who wish to exercise a choice to have an object inserted in them first is \*certainly \*threatening them with rape. Same old **Bricker**. Whaddaya gonna do widdem? ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/972 "2013-07-26T18:47:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. You said, “If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts as they want, while making crude sexual attacks and rape threats against them.” > > It’s not true to imply that pro-life people wish to be able to call teenage girls whores or sluts. Nor do they wish to attack them crudely, sexually, or otherwise. And certainly they don’t wish to threaten them with rape. “As they want”. Gee, Bricker, I don’t see that saying they WANT to. For someone who’s usually SOOOOOOOOO picky over exact wording, you sure fucking slipped there, didn’t you. Also, good to see you don’t think: “Is any dick allowed in her vagina?” “She needs a spanking” Repeatedly calling her a ‘whore’. Is attacking a 14 year old, crudely or sexually? You have such an amazing respect for women, Bricker. Truly Christian of you. You’d be far better off admitting that for a large portion of the pro-life activists, it IS about hurting women, inserting themselves into their sex life, etc. Maybe then you could bicker about numbers - but as long as you think these people are tiny extremists, while meanwhile most pro-life people I (and people my age) interact with act just like these people, you will be seen as nothing but an apologist for this abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/973 "2013-07-26T21:44:26Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > … Even so, ITSM that a guy who barely escaped recall in a place where a lot of people said, “I just don’t believe in recalls” isn’t going to be able to hang on at the rate he’s going. There was that too. A lot of people felt that a recall should only be done for someone alleged to have committed crimes or some form of serious malfeasance, rather than for proposing and supporting legislation not mentioned during the campaign. I feel that way myself, but I still went out and voted against him because I disagree with virtually all his policies. But generally speaking, I felt recalling him was a very bad move, and I fear it will set a precedent for recalling elected officials just for voting in ways that people don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/974 "2013-07-27T04:28:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. You said, “If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts as they want, while making crude sexual attacks and rape threats against them.” > > It’s not true to imply that pro-life people wish to be able to call teenage girls whores or sluts. Nor do they wish to attack them crudely, sexually, or otherwise. And certainly they don’t wish to threaten them with rape. I can’t plow back through this whole thread, but I was wondering what your stance is on terminating a pregnancy that resulted from rape and whether you think the woman in such a case should have to view the ultrasound we’ve been discussing here. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/975 "2013-07-28T13:05:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. You said, “If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts as they want, while making crude sexual attacks and rape threats against them.” > > It’s not true to imply that pro-life people wish to be able to call teenage girls whores or sluts. Nor do they wish to attack them crudely, sexually, or otherwise. And certainly they don’t wish to threaten them with rape. > [@Karrius](#): > > “As they want”. Gee, Bricker, I don’t see that saying they WANT to. For someone who’s usually SOOOOOOOOO picky over exact wording, you sure fucking slipped there, didn’t you. The fuck you talking about?? You said, “If the pro-life people got their way, they’d be able to call as many teenage girls whores and sluts **as they want** …” > [@](#): > > Also, good to see you don’t think: > > “Is any dick allowed in her vagina?” > > “She needs a spanking” > > Repeatedly calling her a ‘whore’. > Is attacking a 14 year old, crudely or sexually? You have such an amazing respect for women, Bricker. Truly Christian of you. Nothing I said supports your characterization of what I said. > [@](#): > > You’d be far better off admitting that for a large portion of the pro-life activists, it IS about hurting women, inserting themselves into their sex life, etc. Any movement has extremists. So I don’t doubt there are misogynists who feel as you describe and identify as pro-life. But I absolutely deny they comprise any kind of significant portion of pro-life activists. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/976 "2013-07-28T13:13:50Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I can’t plow back through this whole thread, but I was wondering what your stance is on terminating a pregnancy that resulted from rape and whether you think the woman in such a case should have to view the ultrasound we’ve been discussing here. My stance on that question is an assertion of the practical over the ideological. I would not oppose an exception for rape. Not because the unborn child of a rape is any less human, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/977 "2013-07-28T13:47:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My stance on that question is an assertion of the practical over the ideological. I would not oppose an exception for rape. > > Not because the unborn child of a rape is any less human, mind you. This is what I don’t get about your anti-abortion position. If all life is sacred, and life begins at conception, how can you make an exception for rape? You say it is an assertion of the practical over the ideological, but that is the same rationale used by pro-choice advocates; abortion should be safe, legal and rare. We don’t want women to have abortions unless there is a compelling reason, and we trust them to make that determination with their doctor. You apparently feel abortion is acceptable if there is a compelling reason (rape), but you want to be the one making that decision for all women. I don’t see how this is consistent with personal freedom, or the sanctity of life. It seems like just a politically expedient cop-out, because you know forcing women to bear the children of their rapist is a losing position. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/978 "2013-07-28T14:50:24Z")
The rape/incest exceptions offered by so many of the forced-birthers (to be fair, many are internally consistent and don’t make them) are evidence of their slut-shaming motives. It isn’t primarily about the fetus at all, or they wouldn’t be able to endorse its murder. No, if the pregnancy wasn’t voluntary then the woman wasn’t a slut and shouldn’t have to pay for her immorality. Besides, allowing those exceptions, or any others, is an act of choice on the part of those passing in judgment. They allow that it’s acceptable to choose to murder an unborn child because of a less-serious act committed against somebody else. That doesn’t comply with the version of morality they preach. The only thing left to discuss with the exception-makers is why their choice should take precedence over the woman’s. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/979 "2013-07-28T16:07:37Z")
Some anti-abortion people will admit that they would vastly prefer to outlaw ALL abortions, including rape and incest and health of the mother, but they know that they can’t get those laws passed…yet. Like the camel, they keep pushing their noses into things they shouldn’t, and if we don’t stop them, we’re gonna have the anti-abortion camel in our tent. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/980 "2013-07-28T17:48:59Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Some anti-abortion people will admit that they would vastly prefer to outlaw ALL abortions, including rape and incest and health of the mother, but they know that they can’t get those laws passed…yet. Like the camel, they keep pushing their noses into things they shouldn’t, and if we don’t stop them, we’re gonna have the anti-abortion camel in our tent. Rick Santorum would love to push that camel through… [http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2012/01/24/rick-santorum-rape-babies-are-gifts-from-god/](http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2012/01/24/rick-santorum-rape-babies-are-gifts-from-god/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=50)