# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/981 "2013-07-28T17:55:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > This is what I don’t get about your anti-abortion position. If all life is sacred, and life begins at conception, how can you make an exception for rape? You say it is an assertion of the practical over the ideological, but that is the same rationale used by pro-choice advocates; abortion should be safe, legal and rare. We don’t want women to have abortions unless there is a compelling reason, and we trust them to make that determination with their doctor. You apparently feel abortion is acceptable if there is a compelling reason (rape), but you want to be the one making that decision for all women. I don’t see how this is consistent with personal freedom, or the sanctity of life. It seems like just a politically expedient cop-out, because you know forcing women to bear the children of their rapist is a losing position. If I am in a bus with no brakes heading down a steep hill, and the only way to avoid hitting a minivan full of school kids is to steer into a Cadillac driven by a senior citizen, you may assume that I make my choice in order to. Save the most lives, not because I believe senior citizens should be killed. Similarly, the concession above is intended to save the lives of many unborn children. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/982 "2013-07-28T18:00:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If I am in a bus with no brakes heading down a steep hill, and the only way to avoid hitting a minivan full of school kids is to steer into a Cadillac driven by a senior citizen, you may assume that I make my choice in order to. Save the most lives, not because I believe senior citizens should be killed. > > Similarly, the concession above is intended to save the lives of many unborn children. So we can just do a calculus of the lives saved versus the lives sacrificed, and reach an ethical conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/983 "2013-07-28T18:05:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So we can just do a calculus of the lives saved versus the lives sacrificed, and reach an ethical conclusion? Not if saving those lives affect’s Bricker’s income. You’re talking to a man who has stated he’d let poor (post-birth) people die through lack of access to health care services if making those services available affects his financial situation, remember. Saving lives is not Bricker’s concern. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/984 "2013-07-28T18:29:14Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Not if saving those lives affect’s Bricker’s income. You’re talking to a man who has stated he’d let poor (post-birth) people die through lack of access to health care services if making those services available affects his financial situation, remember. Saving lives is not Bricker’s concern. Yep, I remember reading that somewhere on here. I just couldn’t find the exact post with the advanced search. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/985 "2013-07-29T00:56:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How else would he be “taken out?” That sounds ominous. 19th-Amendment remedies. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/986 "2013-07-29T01:35:02Z")
American men rise as one and speak with a united voice: “Yes, Dear!” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/987 "2013-07-29T14:27:38Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So we can just do a calculus of the lives saved versus the lives sacrificed, and reach an ethical conclusion? Not “just,” but certainly that’s one factor in reaching an ethical conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/988 "2013-07-29T14:28:38Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Not if saving those lives affect’s Bricker’s income. You’re talking to a man who has stated he’d let poor (post-birth) people die through lack of access to health care services if making those services available affects his financial situation, remember. Saving lives is not Bricker’s concern. A lie. From, self-evidently, a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/989 "2013-07-30T10:52:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > A lie. From, self-evidently, a liar. In Bricker’s defense, he said something more along the lines of, “It is acceptable for someone to die because they can’t afford medical care.” He provided no further clarification in that thread. An amazing feat of Christian thinking, that. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/990 "2013-07-30T13:19:59Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > In Bricker’s defense, he said something more along the lines of, “It is acceptable for someone to die because they can’t afford medical care.” > > He provided no further clarification in that thread. An amazing feat of Christian thinking, that. I notice you say, “He provided no further clarification in that thread.” Did you phrase it that way to give the impression that I _never_ explained that statement? Did I, in fact, provide further clarification? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/991 "2013-07-30T16:42:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I notice you say, “He provided no further clarification in that thread.” > > Did you phrase it that way to give the impression that I _never_ explained that statement? > > Did I, in fact, provide further clarification? Not until later in a different thread. My point being, that someone who just read your un-walked-back comments wouldn’t be out of line thinking you meant what you said. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/992 "2013-07-30T16:46:38Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Not until later in a different thread. My point being, that someone who just read your un-walked-back comments wouldn’t be out of line thinking you meant what you said. Yes. “Not until later in a different thread.” But what would someone who just read your post in THIS thread think? They might well think that I simply didn’t provide further clarification. Which is, of course, precisely the impression you strove to leave, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/993 "2013-07-30T17:00:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. “Not until later in a different thread.” > > But what would someone who just read your post in THIS thread think? > > They might well think that I simply didn’t provide further clarification. > > Which is, of course, precisely the impression you strove to leave, isn’t it? One wonders why I said, “…in that thread.” at all if I wanted it to remain secret. You walked back your odious shit much later in a totally different thread. That means that many might think you meant what you said. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/994 "2013-07-30T19:01:07Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > One wonders why I said, “…in that thread.” at all if I wanted it to remain secret. Because you wanted to immunize yourself against a exposure of a blatant lie, of course, while retaining the impression that the blatant lie would have given. > [@](#): > > You walked back your odious shit much later in a totally different thread. That means that many might think you meant what you said. Aided in their thoughts by your presentation of a deceptive account of it. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/995 "2013-07-30T20:39:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Because you wanted to immunize yourself against a exposure of a blatant lie, of course, while retaining the impression that the blatant lie would have given. I don’t lie, except to save someone’s feelings, or to make a story funnier, Bricker. And someone doesn’t have to lie to make you look like a complete twat. Look at this thread for examples. In any case, I clearly said what I meant. You feeling persecuted doesn’t change what I said into a lie. > [@](#): > > Aided in their thoughts by your presentation of a deceptive account of it. Right? Hardly deceptive, imho. I said what I meant, that you didn’t walk back your comment in that thread. Meaning you did later in a different thread. Many dopers read the one and not the other, so many dopers didn’t hear your retraction of your comment. So many dopers think that comment represents your feelings. Which, you say, now at least, isn’t so. But it is your own fault, for saying something so stupid and then backtracking it elsewhere. In any case, you’re just trying to divert the subject, because you’re ashamed. Good, maybe it’ll do you some good. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/996 "2013-07-30T20:50:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > . . . Aided in their thoughts by your presentation of a deceptive account of it. Right? Exactly the kind of hyper-legalistic truth twisting you engage in all the damn time. It’s exactly your line of country. Did he say anything untrue? Did he? No! You yourself observe that at no point did he do so. Bricker \> petard \> hoist. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/997 "2013-07-30T22:19:45Z")
Can somebody link to the thread so I can move from someone with a hypothetical opinion to someone with an _actual_ opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/998 "2013-07-30T22:42:50Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can somebody link to the thread so I can move from someone with a hypothetical opinion to someone with an _actual_ opinion? Bricker’s post: [ [Quote=Bricker] It is acceptable for people to die because they can’t afford the proper treatment. [/quote] ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12041602&postcount=246) The thread he posted it in: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548965&page=5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548965&page=5) The post itself: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12041602&postcount=246](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12041602&postcount=246) And, you’ll note, no additional posts in the thread. Just like I said. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/999 "2013-07-30T22:55:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > A lie. From, self-evidently, a liar. No, it was in the thread in which you went from “my church is all or nothing” to “not until Obama forces women to have children against their will” when your church said you were obliged to support adequate health care systems. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1000 "2013-07-31T01:50:42Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Exactly the kind of hyper-legalistic truth twisting you engage in all the damn time. It’s exactly your line of country. Did he say anything untrue? Did he? No! You yourself observe that at no point did he do so. Bricker \> petard \> hoist. And did I accuse him of saying anything untrue? Did I? I accused him of saying something deceptive. If you believe I am saying anything deceptive, now or anytime, waddle up to the keyboard and call it out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=51)