# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1021 "2013-08-01T05:56:21Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > While I do agree that his clarification of his intent does make the statement innocuous, the fact that his perceived stock in trade on the board is taking people’s statements, stripping them of context and applying a strictly literal interpretation does make the situation ripe for humour. > > Don’t abort the fun before it even has a chance to be born. Bullshit. That’s not what I do. And if it were, it would be the work of a moment to refute me by doing just what I did here: posting the evidence of the correct context. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1022 "2013-08-01T06:07:32Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > But what is the definition of ordinary care? > > Last summer, an elderly family member needed a total knee replacement. There was no other option by that point, and this person was still sound of body and mind otherwise. > > There is no way she could have borne all the costs on her own, and if the rest of us fam had kicked in everything could, it would have caused real financial hardships. (9 days in the hospital added up to 60 grand, and who knows how much it was for 2.5 weeks in rehab/nursing home which Medicare paid for, and after the discharge from there, there was more to cover such as home visits from nurse and therapists, equipment, and meds.) > > I’m just glad she had a PPO and Medicare. Had there been any further delays or denials, she would have continued to suffer horribly, virtually bedridden with pain and lack of mobility. > > Does the above sitch count as ordinary care? Probably yes. But surely you can see the answer depends on more factors. If your elderly relative is the only patient in the system that month, then it’s obviously a yes. If there are five million others and the doctors in the system are booked up, then some kind of triage might be necessary. The point is: no matter what kind of system we devise, somewhere a line must be drawn, and that line is dictated by both practical concerns and political will. How important is it for the government to ensure medical care for everyone is a political question; the government does not have unlimited resources and must prioritize spending to meet its other obligations. And even assuming the government is applying a high priority to this mission, there is still a finite number of resources to call upon. That is reality. It is acceptable for some people to die because they cannot afford medical care. That’s an inevitable consequence of any medical rationing system. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1023 "2013-08-01T06:26:34Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > _I’m not ignoring it. Well, I’m not ignoring it for everyone, just Bricker._ > > So, an atheist opposing abortion has a reasonable position, but I don’t, even though I oppose abortion for reasons having little to do with Catholism. > > Gosh, **Lobohan** , I think you’re applying a harsher standard to me. I did say that atheists who oppose abortion presumably do it for a sentimental reason. Which I find shitty, but less shitty than inflicting the brainwashing your parents did to you, on the hoi polloi. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1024 "2013-08-01T06:29:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Missed the edit window, but also: You’ve been shown people can oppose abortion from Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, Mormon, and non-Catholic Christian faiths as well as no religious faith at all, but since that removes the ad hominem bullet from your gun, you DO ignore it. Given what I know about you, that you, for instance think crackers are sometimes magical, I have strong doubts that your belief in a soul has nothing to do with your opposition to abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1025 "2013-08-01T06:32:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That is reality. It is acceptable for some people to die because they cannot afford medical care. That’s an inevitable consequence of any medical rationing system. No one disputes this. You might note that we have a rationing system now. And people with a profit motive are the ones that make the decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1026 "2013-08-01T06:41:41Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Given what I know about you, that you, for instance think crackers are sometimes magical, I have strong doubts that your belief in a soul has nothing to do with your opposition to abortion. But how do you reconcile that belief when you see that other people reach an identical conclusion with zero belief in magical crackers? > [@Lobohan](#): > > I did say that atheists who oppose abortion presumably do it for a sentimental reason. Which I find shitty, but less shitty than inflicting the brainwashing your parents did to you, on the hoi polloi. So you have simply announced what I believe, and that’s that? Well, it’s hard to surmount that tactic. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1027 "2013-08-01T07:05:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But how do you reconcile that belief when you see that other people reach an identical conclusion with zero belief in magical crackers? Three people have the favorite color green. One likes trees, one likes money and one likes alligator pussy. They each have the same favorite, but they come to it in different ways. Didn’t law school teach you that the same action can have plenty of different motives? Maybe you should ask for your money back. > [@](#): > > So you have simply announced what I believe, and that’s that? > > Well, it’s hard to surmount that tactic. The fact that you have a strong belief in the supernatural and it dictates many of your positions, I think, suggests that you are just following the church. Well, I could be wrong. As I say, it’s based on my read of your behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1028 "2013-08-01T10:29:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bullshit. That’s not what I do. And if it were, it would be the work of a moment to refute me by doing just what I did here: posting the evidence of the correct context. I didn’t say that it is what you do. I said that it is the perception people have of what you do (well, my perception of what people’s perceptions are anyway). Everytime I see someone complain about your style it is either about the “liberal hypocrisy” shtick or about how you are misconstruing their or others off the cuff remarks and interpreting them in the light of legal courtroom definitions vs. everyday usage which is not precise and will contain an element of hyperbole. In light of the latter I found it amusing that you were caught out in making a remark that was memorable, quotable and, as you did not clarify in that thread, does not lend itself to correct interpretation without effort that an onlooker following the link would not necessarily know to make. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1029 "2013-08-01T12:56:02Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > I didn’t say that it is what you do. I said that it is the perception people have of what you do (well, my perception of what people’s perceptions are anyway). > > Everytime I see someone complain about your style it is either about the “liberal hypocrisy” shtick or about how you are misconstruing their or others off the cuff remarks and interpreting them in the light of legal courtroom definitions vs. everyday usage which is not precise and will contain an element of hyperbole. In light of the latter I found it amusing that you were caught out in making a remark that was memorable, quotable and, as you did not clarify in that thread, does not lend itself to correct interpretation without effort that an onlooker following the link would not necessarily know to make. OK. That’s certainly clear, and, indeed, not without its irony. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1030 "2013-08-01T13:11:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Three people have the favorite color green. One likes trees, one likes money and one likes alligator pussy. They each have the same favorite, but they come to it in different ways. > > Didn’t law school teach you that the same action can have plenty of different motives? Maybe you should ask for your money back. > > The fact that you have a strong belief in the supernatural and it dictates many of your positions, I think, suggests that you are just following the church. > > Well, I could be wrong. As I say, it’s based on my read of your behavior. Three people are helping out at a soup kitchen in the basement of a public school. One is an atheist, who does it because his moral compass directs him to, one is a Christian, who feels his faith and Christian doctrine compels him to help those less fortunate then he, the other is a fellow newly converted to being Christian just a year ago, but he has been helping out at the kitchen for 5 years. Questions: 1. Would you be able to point out which is which as they serve soup? 2. As far as the third fellow, why is he helping out at the soup kitchen? 3. To what degree should we consider helping out at a soup kitchen an act that is being done due to the teachings of Jesus? The point, of course, is that since there is a valid non-religious foundation for X, you can’t claim that the justification for X is religious belief. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1031 "2013-08-01T20:48:39Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > . . . the fact that his perceived stock in trade on the board is taking people’s statements, stripping them of context and applying a strictly literal interpretation . . . > [@Bricker](#): > > Bullshit. That’s not what I do. . . . He said “perceived.” And since at least one person here does perceive exactly that, then what he said is true. Bricker \> Petard \> hoist. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1032 "2013-08-01T20:49:12Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > He said “perceived.” And since at least one person here does perceive exactly that, then what he said is true. > > Bricker \> Petard \> hoist. Again. Post 1029. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1033 "2013-08-01T21:20:55Z")
You have your moments. But they are moments. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1034 "2013-08-02T00:10:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Three people are helping out at a soup kitchen in the basement of a public school. One is an atheist, who does it because his moral compass directs him to, one is a Christian, who feels his faith and Christian doctrine compels him to help those less fortunate then he, the other is a fellow newly converted to being Christian just a year ago, but he has been helping out at the kitchen for 5 years. Questions: > > 1. Would you be able to point out which is which as they serve soup? > 2. As far as the third fellow, why is he helping out at the soup kitchen? > 3. To what degree should we consider helping out at a soup kitchen an act that is being done due to the teachings of Jesus? > > The point, of course, is that since there is a valid non-religious foundation for X, you can’t claim that the justification for X is religious belief. I can make a reasonable case if I see the person talking at length about religious stuff. Bricker really digs his Catholicism. Those priests who brainwashed him set the hooks deep. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1035 "2013-08-02T05:04:01Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I can make a reasonable case if I see the person talking at length about religious stuff. > > Bricker really digs his Catholicism. Those priests who brainwashed him set the hooks deep. Case for what? That **Bricker’s** motivation for his position is Catholicism-based? Obviously, his Catholicism plays _some_ role in his position, somewhere between 0% - 100%. He has told you that it plays little role. But even if it was 100%, so what? That merely goes to _his_ position. Do you think the subject of the thread is “ **Bricker’s** Motivation for Being Pro-Life”? It’s not. So even if a particular person’s motivation is purely religious, so what? It has been proven to you that people can have a position against abortion that is non-Christian based—even non-religion based,—so I just don’t get what you’re trying to prove/show. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1036 "2013-08-05T04:25:17Z")
[Scott Walker compares himself to FDR.](http://www.thenation.com/blog/175583/did-scott-walker-really-compare-himself-franklin-roosevelt-yes-yes-he-did#axzz2b3wbTvRi) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1037 "2013-08-05T13:04:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It has been proven to you that people can have a position against abortion that is non-Christian based—even non-religion based,—so I just don’t get what you’re trying to prove/show. This is unclear at best, or at least I haven’t seen a pro-life argument that didn’t rely on religion or some religion-like ideal like “humans are special”. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1038 "2013-08-05T13:56:10Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > This is unclear at best, or at least I haven’t seen a pro-life argument that didn’t rely on religion or some religion-like ideal like “humans are special”. You might spend some time at [Clinic Quotes](http://clinicquotes.com/). This site was founded by pro-life activist and ardent atheist Sarah Turzo. Interestingly enough, she excoriates the pro-life movement as a whole for being hostile to atheists in [this essay](http://liveactionnews.org/on-being-a-pro-life-atheist/). But she is clearly pro-life, and equally clearly atheist, and equally clearly [not alone.](http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html) (Motto: “Because life is all there is and all that matters, and abortion destroys the life of an innocent human being.”) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1039 "2013-08-05T14:45:28Z")
The practical distinction between “Because life is all there is and all that matters” and “God says life is all there is and all that matters” eludes me. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1040 "2013-08-05T15:06:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The practical distinction between “Because life is all there is and all that matters” and “God says life is all there is and all that matters” eludes me. Well, for one thing, God – at least the typical Christian version – doesn’t say that. In God’s message, our life here on Earth is merely a blip on the radar for life everlasting. In contrast, as I understand the message from that page, life here on earth, as human beings, is all that there is, and there is no rescue in any sort of heavenly reward. This makes preserving human life more important than it might be otherwise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=53)