# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/121 "2013-07-07T17:12:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Much as I hate to pile on, this thread is a perfect example of how utterly odious Bricker is as a human being. > > Because he is generally polite people take that as if he’s rational and reasonable. But he’s far from either. The pope has his shepherd’s crook so far up Bricker’s ass it clinks against his teeth. I was just wondering what we could shove up Scott Walker’s ass… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/122 "2013-07-07T17:16:35Z")
Air Force One would be his preference. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/123 "2013-07-07T17:54:11Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > We stooped wimmins of the SDMB shall be eternally grateful to **Bricker** and his ilk for being there to tell us what’s what, since we obviously have no clue. I know, right? Every year untold numbers of women have abortions without ever realizing that their uteruses might actually contain an embryo. How dumb is that? Clearly it’s not enough just to have a doctor explain this to us, we need to see ultrasound images before our weak little woman brains will be able to comprehend that being pregnant means there’s actually something in there. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/124 "2013-07-07T18:08:00Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I know, right? Every year untold numbers of women have abortions without ever realizing that their uteruses might actually contain an embryo. How dumb is that? Clearly it’s not enough just to have a doctor explain this to us, we need to see ultrasound images before our weak little woman brains will be able to comprehend that being pregnant means there’s actually something in there. OK! One of you wimins finally gets it!! ---
**Author:** ![EverwonderWhy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EverwonderWhy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EverwonderWhy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/125 "2013-07-07T18:39:56Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > So, essentially the same experience a woman gets when she goes to a false-flag “family planning” clinic for an abortion and all they do is try to talk her out of it. But nothing so intrusive as showing her an ultrasound image of her own fetus, which they certainly would do in those clinics if they could. Gotcha. That’s the whole point of these laws, require women to go to “crisis pregnancy centers”, which are not even medical clinics, but faith-based counseling centers. [Va. Crisis Pregnancy Centers Using Ultrasound Law To Promote Antiabortion Agenda, NARAL Report Finds](http://www.nationalpartnership.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=40805&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=daily2_) > [@](#): > > According to the report, some CPCs are intimidating or shaming women who come in for ultrasounds in order to change their minds about seeking an abortion. Some centers – including Little Life Center and Blue Ridge Women’s Health Center – have refused to turn over ultrasound results to women who planned to take them to abortion clinics. > > In addition, the report found that 71% of the CPCs investigated “shared some degree of medically erroneous information” with women, including claims that abortion can lead to long-term psychological problems, eating disorders, and alcohol and drug misuse, as well as breast cancer, infertility and later pregnancy complications. > > NARAL also stated in the report that the state health department cannot respond to complaints filed against CPCs because it lacks jurisdiction over the centers, which Kalanges confirmed. > > “It is deeply troubling that an official governmental agency would, by referring women to these facilities, confer legitimacy on their pervasive use of deception, emotional manipulation, and medical misinformation,” the report states. These ‘crisis pregnancy centers’ should be held to the same standards of abortion clinics. Require them to be licensed as Ambulatory Surgical Centers (actually, how about just require them to be licensed medical clinics :rolleyes:) and force them to “inform” women about all the dangers of pregnancy and childbirth compared to abortion. How these risks are increased for women experiencing unplanned pregnancies and if these women already have children (as the majority of women seeking abortions are already mothers) they need to be told that their already born children will be at an increased risk of poor health and poverty. Since the assumption is women are not competent to make their own reproductive choices, it is only fair to include ALL the health risks, right? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/126 "2013-07-07T18:58:54Z")
No, that’s totally unfair. The abortion clinic claims to provide medical care, the “crisis center” provides Jesus. They should be required to prove it. Like, you bring in a jug of water for them to pray over, and if it doesn’t turn into a decent chardonnay, you can sue them for malpractice and shut them down. Works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/127 "2013-07-07T18:59:59Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > It’s also very fiscally conservative, unlike this kind of legislation. That raises (not “begs”) a question: are these people anti-abortion, or anti-sex? They are anti sex-without-consequences, and I would guess that at least half of them are women. My grandmother and her widowed friends are very opinionated on the subject. One time I discussed it with two of them (who had, between them, thirteen children) and it was interesting that neither could identify with the subject at hand - the target of their ire is the promiscuous liberal urban types for whom abortion is a form of birth control, and not, I quote, “young girls who make mistakes.” I was expecting something along the lines of Catholic doctrine, and instead got a politely detached sociological worldview peppered with horseshit. Just one example of the people writing the checks to fund the movement. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/128 "2013-07-07T20:14:06Z")
My grandparents had been married for more that thirty years when something happened. They started calling each other by sweet names, petting each other for no particular reason. My mom finally asked about it after my grandfather passed away, but all she would tell Mom was it was something they didn’t know about the bedroom. And that was all she would tell us. And what I wouldn’t give to know… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/129 "2013-07-07T20:41:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > My grandparents had been married for more that thirty years when something happened. They started calling each other by sweet names, petting each other for no particular reason. My mom finally asked about it after my grandfather passed away, but all she would tell Mom was it was something they didn’t know about the bedroom. And that was all she would tell us. > > And what I wouldn’t give to know… That you can **sleep** there, too! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/130 "2013-07-07T22:31:15Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The law and the American people reject your premise. So far as I can tell, both ths law, and a Texas law that’s even more restrictive than this one, are in effect – and a suit to stop the Texas law failed to get an injunction because of a lack of likelihood of success on the merits, in the view of the Fifth Circuit. So – are you saying that despite those setbacks, this law will ultimately be overturned or blocked? Or is this one of those “No matter what courts say, **I** can declare what the law really is!” moments? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/131 "2013-07-07T23:08:27Z")
Well, I’m just a country boy, but has the Fifth Circuit any particular reputation as regards progressive vs conservative viewpoints? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/132 "2013-07-07T23:23:19Z")
Bricker, I’d like to pass a law that you have to get a pencil pushed up your butt before you log onto a message board. Is that legal? (And by definition, moral and right?) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/133 "2013-07-07T23:30:32Z")
You have to at least consult the pencil. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/134 "2013-07-07T23:32:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You have to at least consult the pencil. I have to assume it’s okay with it. It’s a #2 pencil. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/135 "2013-07-08T00:51:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So far as I can tell, both ths law, and a Texas law that’s even more restrictive than this one, are in effect – and a suit to stop the Texas law failed to get an injunction because of a lack of likelihood of success on the merits, in the view of the Fifth Circuit. > > So – are you saying that despite those setbacks, this law will ultimately be overturned or blocked? No, I am saying the law does not support your definition of a fetus as a person. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/136 "2013-07-08T00:54:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Bricker, I’d like to pass a law that you have to get a pencil pushed up your butt before you log onto a message board. Is that legal? (And by definition, moral and right?) No, because he’s a man; one of the _superior_ gender. It’s women who are the Daughters of Eve, inherently evil and sinful creatures who deserve to be punished simply for being born. (sarcasm) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/137 "2013-07-08T01:05:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > My grandparents had been married for more that thirty years when something happened. They started calling each other by sweet names, petting each other for no particular reason. My mom finally asked about it after my grandfather passed away, but all she would tell Mom was it was something they didn’t know about the bedroom. And that was all she would tell us. > > And what I wouldn’t give to know… You really want to know about your grandmother getting a rimjob? ---
**Author:** ![EverwonderWhy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EverwonderWhy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EverwonderWhy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/138 "2013-07-08T01:05:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So far as I can tell, both ths law, and a Texas law that’s even more restrictive than this one, are in effect – and a suit to stop the Texas law failed to get an injunction because of a lack of likelihood of success on the merits, in the view of the Fifth Circuit. Actually, a federal district court ruled in August 2011 that the Texas ultrasound law violated the First Amendment rights of physicians and patients by requiring a conversation that neither party desired. In January 2012, however, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the decision. And very similar laws to the Texas one were struck down in Oklahoma and North Carolina district courts, on grounds that they violated the First Amendment rights of physicians and patients. In Texas, there is already an effort being mounted to appeal the law using evidence of the undue burden (increased cost of travel and childcare) it has imposed on women seeking abortions, in just the first year of enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/139 "2013-07-08T01:10:11Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You really want to know about your grandmother getting a rimjob? Not worried, she was totally out of your league. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/140 "2013-07-08T01:27:14Z")
> [@EverwonderWhy](#): > > In Texas, there is already an effort being mounted to appeal the law using evidence of the undue burden (increased cost of travel and childcare) it has imposed on women seeking abortions, in just the first year of enforcement. I suppose the legislature might respond by requiring all abortion facilities to have the necessary ultrasound equipment on site. That might nullify the undue burden issue as well as reduce the number of abortion clinics. Two birds with one stone! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=8)