# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1521 "2013-08-23T17:03:45Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I’d call cutting off birth control access from the poor and desperate wrong-headed and immoral and hypocritical. Others might think of it as sinful. Is there a huge difference? I’m not seeing hypocritical, unless of course the person doing the cutting is using birth control. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1522 "2013-08-23T17:08:29Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I’d call cutting off birth control access from the poor and desperate wrong-headed and immoral and hypocritical. Others might think of it as sinful. Is there a huge difference? There is some difference, at least in my understanding of sin. The closest of “wrong-headed and immoral and hypocritical” to “sin” is _immoral_. Hypocrisy simply refers to the adoption of inconsistent positions and behavior. Wrong-headedness is an opinion about the wisdom of an action. “Immoral,” though related to “sin,” is not a synonym. In my definition of sin, we have both the sin we inherit from our first ancestors, original sin, and the sin we commit ourselves, actual sin; the latter being a thought, work, action or omission contrary to God’s law. Since I suspect we do not share agreement on what constitutes God’s law, or indeed if there is even any such thing, there’s a huge difference. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1523 "2013-08-23T17:20:14Z")
“Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It’s round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you’ve got about a hundred years here. There’s only one rule that I know of, babies — ‘God damn it, you’ve got to be kind.” Eliot Rosewater, _God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater_, Kurt Vonnegut Works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1524 "2013-08-23T20:39:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My answer does not rest on its invasiveness, but it’s effectiveness. A finger up the ass isn’t the way a medical professional tests for colon cancer, much less a waiter. So what? A watching a sonogram doesn’t do anything at all for the effectiveness of an abortion. You’ve already established that you support ineffective, nuisance impediments to legal activities. Why are you against getting a finger up your man-twat before you enjoy a steak? Hypocrite much? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1525 "2013-08-23T20:43:53Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > This [cite](http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/type/bowel-cancer/diagnosis/bowel-cancer-tests) would seem to indicate that a diagnosis may begin with a rectal exam. Would this not indicate that a finger up the ass is a part of the process and would certainly cause at least some people to stop eating red meat? I’d be willing to stop this requirement if, over the course of a year, the number of people eating red meat did not go down by at least 25%. Good point. I’m sure Bricker will accept your argument and stand strongly in support of rectal exams before eating steak as legal and in accordance with American ideals. Also, did I mention the 24 hour waiting period at the restaurant? ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1526 "2013-08-23T21:02:20Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Also, did I mention the 24 hour waiting period at the restaurant? Umm . . . when in relation to the rectal exam does that begin? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1527 "2013-08-23T21:10:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My answer does not rest on its invasiveness, but it’s effectiveness. A finger up the ass isn’t the way a medical professional tests for colon cancer, much less a waiter. It’s so far just wishful thinking that a probe up the vagina is effective at preventing abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1528 "2013-08-23T21:16:00Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > Umm . . . when in relation to the rectal exam does that begin? I’m sure the restaurant will have an “employees must wash hands” policy. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1529 "2013-08-23T22:01:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > So what? A watching a sonogram doesn’t do anything at all for the effectiveness of an abortion. > > You’ve already established that you support ineffective, nuisance impediments to legal activities. Why are you against getting a finger up your man-twat before you enjoy a steak? > > Hypocrite much? Saying “well, here’s a position you support. Here’s another position that is vaguely similar but comically exaggerated, that you do not support. Lol ur a hypocrite” is a ridiculous argument. Unless you’re being extra-clever and gotcha-ing Bricker because that’s very similar to the kind of ridiculous argument that he does like to make himself (although not much in this thread). If you’re gotchaing him, I’m all in favor of it. If you actually think you’ve presented a meaningful objection to his position, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1530 "2013-08-23T22:55:22Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > I’m not seeing hypocritical, unless of course the person doing the cutting is using birth control. I was referring to the Catholic church’s hypocrisy in telling people to live in peace and then making that impossible or difficult with overpopulation; or in speaking against sexual sin and then protecting child-molesting priests; or in claiming to minister to the neediest of the needy but making things worse (okay, that goes back to the first part of this paragraph); not to mention “Mother” Teresa claiming to care for the sick and dying but denying them pain-killers since she thought suffering was so very noble and would bring them closer to God. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1531 "2013-08-23T22:57:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m sure the restaurant will have an “employees must wash hands” policy. Hey now, let’s not get Big Government involved with excessive regulations. Let the buyer beware of the finger up their ass ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1532 "2013-08-23T23:03:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m sure the restaurant will have an “employees must wash hands” policy. That’s their policy, not mine! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1533 "2013-08-24T01:35:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > So what? A watching a sonogram doesn’t do anything at all for the effectiveness of an abortion. > > You’ve already established that you support ineffective, nuisance impediments to legal activities. Why are you against getting a finger up your man-twat before you enjoy a steak? > > Hypocrite much? Nope. The effectiveness of the abortion is not the goal, so why would you try offering it up here? And I didn’t say I was against it. I said that under our current caselaw, it likely wouldn’t survive. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1534 "2013-08-24T01:40:22Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > This [cite](http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/type/bowel-cancer/diagnosis/bowel-cancer-tests) would seem to indicate that a diagnosis may begin with a rectal exam. Would this not indicate that a finger up the ass is a part of the process and would certainly cause at least some people to stop eating red meat? I’d be willing to stop this requirement if, over the course of a year, the number of people eating red meat did not go down by at least 25%. My mistake. Having hit the requisite birthday somewhat recently, I was told a sigmoidoscopy was the accepted best practice. In any event, one part of my objection remains: even if this is the appropriate path for a medical professional, it’s not for a waiter. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1535 "2013-08-24T01:44:10Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Saying “well, here’s a position you support. Here’s another position that is vaguely similar but comically exaggerated, that you do not support. Lol ur a hypocrite” is a ridiculous argument. Unless you’re being extra-clever and gotcha-ing Bricker because that’s very similar to the kind of ridiculous argument that he does like to make himself (although not much in this thread). If you’re gotchaing him, I’m all in favor of it. If you actually think you’ve presented a meaningful objection to his position, not so much. I disagree that I have ever, in the history of this site, advanced an argument that rests on such ludicrous grounds as Lobohan’s does here. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1536 "2013-08-24T01:46:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s so far just wishful thinking that a probe up the vagina is effective at preventing abortion. The Wisconsin law, despite the lie inherent in the thread title, clearly specifies that the choice of transducer is up to the woman – a vaginal probe is by no means mandated. And I am certainly willing, as I have said before, to concede that the law doesn’t work if the numbers don’t support it, but you are not willing to support it even if the numbers show a measurable effect. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1537 "2013-08-24T01:54:41Z")
Once again, can you answer why he should support it when lowering the number of abortions is not his goal? **Bryan’s** goal, as far as I can tell, has always been to minimize obstacles to receiving an abortion. This goal is not advanced by requiring an ultrasound regardless of the number of abortions prevented. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1538 "2013-08-24T01:58:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > In any event, one part of my objection remains: even if this is the appropriate path for a medical professional, it’s not for a waiter. Ah, but all of our waiters are trained medical professionals. We do recommend that for your comfort, you tip your waiter generously prior to the rectal examination. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1539 "2013-08-24T02:40:39Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Ah, but all of our waiters are trained medical professionals. We do recommend that for your comfort, you tip your waiter generously prior to the rectal examination. The correct analogy, I think, would be to require the waiters to be doctors, so as to put an undue burden on restaurants that serve meat. So that it’s similar to the efforts to regulate abortion clinics out of existence. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1540 "2013-08-24T02:43:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I disagree that I have ever, in the history of this site, advanced an argument that rests on such ludicrous grounds as Lobohan’s does here. My argument is sound, but silly. Which is only to prove what an utter clot of shit you are. You want to humiliate and shame people who get a legal medical procedure that your cult doesn’t like. That makes you a profoundly shitty person. Just like someone who would force people to eat the way they want. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=78)