# I pit Gov. Scott Walker for mandating the unnecessary inserting of objects into women **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746 "2013-07-05T20:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![justrob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9adbd/32.png) [@justrob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/justrob)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1661 "2014-01-20T00:49:53Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > I’m entirely in agreement with Bricker here, except that I would have a broader ‘serious health threats to the mother’ exception. There’s no clear line between conditions that are life threatening and ones that aren’t.\*\* But other than that, pro life all the way,\*\* because I think the life of the unborn child is much more important than the ‘bodily autonomy’ of the mother. Bolding mine. > [@Firing squads](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/firing-squads/679171/5): > > I’m pro death penalty for treason, spying, terrorism and related crimes , and anti death penalty (mostly on scriptural grounds) for ‘common’ crimes like murder. So just to be clear, you are only pro-life in the case of unborn children. Once born killing people is OK? ---
**Author:** ![Lago\_Ys-Transform](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a587f6/32.png) [@Lago\_Ys-Transform](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lago_Ys-Transform)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1662 "2014-01-25T07:57:25Z")
Look, I don’t post here much despite having lurked on the boards since the Collunsbury and Satan days, but I’m extremely vexed that people keep quickly abandoning the ‘state-sponsored rape’ aspect of this thread so quickly. How can supporters of this legislation live with forced TVUs? That is some hardcore Mutaween-level shit right there. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1663 "2014-01-25T16:51:26Z")
> [@Lago\_Ys-Transform](#): > > Look, I don’t post here much despite having lurked on the boards since the Collunsbury and Satan days, but I’m extremely vexed that people keep quickly abandoning the ‘state-sponsored rape’ aspect of this thread so quickly. > > How can supporters of this legislation live with forced TVUs? That is some hardcore Mutaween-level shit right there. Evidently you don’t read much, either. I deduce this, Watson, because earlier in the thread it was made clear that the Wisconsin law at issue specifically mandates the choice of ultrasound transducers – that is, it does _ **not** _ constitute forced TVUs. That’s some hardcore ignorance right there, eh? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1664 "2014-01-25T18:27:55Z")
Which is specific to Wisconsin, yes? Such forced procedures have been proposed and pressed forward in other locales, yes? Mostly if not exclusively by Republicans, yes? We likely have a difference of opinion as to why that is. You might very well believe that no such effort was ever made, nor even considered, due to the long standing Republican distaste for government interference. I’m inclined to think its because they figured they wouldn’t get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1665 "2014-01-25T19:07:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Which is specific to Wisconsin, yes? Such forced procedures have been proposed and pressed forward in other locales, yes? Mostly if not exclusively by Republicans, yes? > > We likely have a difference of opinion as to why that is. You might very well believe that no such effort was ever made, nor even considered, due to the long standing Republican distaste for government interference. I’m inclined to think its because they figured they wouldn’t get away with it. So you’d like to Pit Gov. Scott Walker for things that were proposed as law in other states by people other than him? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1666 "2014-01-25T22:11:00Z")
Its always helpful to have someone on hand who is expert in the proprieties and customs of the Pit, so errant posters can be rebuked and corrected. Was that an offsides or out-of-bounds? Scott Walker isn’t a scumbag, Scott Walker is a weeping pustule on the rectum of a scumbag. If he were to awake tomorrow convinced that a platform of state-sponsored abortions free to all citizens was his ticket straight to the Oval Office, you would see a reversal of public opinion not seen since Saul of Tarsus fell off his ass. I hold you to be sincerely wrong, and that is worth a bit in comparison to an opportunistic poltroon like him. If we were down home, I would advise that you scrape the Scott Walker off your boots before you come in off the porch, as Mamma is very particular about her carpets. However, be assured that my regard for your corrections on precise Pit behavior remains undiminished. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1667 "2014-01-27T15:11:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So you’d like to Pit Gov. Scott Walker for things that were proposed as law in other states by people other than him? > [@elucidator](#): > > Its always helpful to have someone on hand who is expert in the proprieties and customs of the Pit, so errant posters can be rebuked and corrected. Was that an offsides or out-of-bounds? > > Scott Walker isn’t a scumbag, Scott Walker is a weeping pustule on the rectum of a scumbag. If he were to awake tomorrow convinced that a platform of state-sponsored abortions free to all citizens was his ticket straight to the Oval Office, you would see a reversal of public opinion not seen since Saul of Tarsus fell off his ass. > > I hold you to be sincerely wrong, and that is worth a bit in comparison to an opportunistic poltroon like him. If we were down home, I would advise that you scrape the Scott Walker off your boots before you come in off the porch, as Mamma is very particular about her carpets. > > However, be assured that my regard for your corrections on precise Pit behavior remains undiminished. So… yes, you would. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1668 "2014-01-27T15:18:58Z")
> [@Falchion](#): > > Yes? Of course, it shouldn’t because the law doesn’t regard the life of the unborn baby as equal to the life of the mother. Nevertheless, a majority of states have variations on fetal homicide laws (often specifically focusing on vehicular homicides, in fact). It avoids the otherwise plausible inquiry into whether the defendant should avoid a homicide charge because the mother didn’t want the fetus anyway. I don’t think anyone wants to see a criminal trial where the propensity of the mother of a foetal “victim” to have abortions is at issue. The other alternative seems to be treating the foetus as though it doesn’t exist at all. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1669 "2014-01-27T17:18:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So… yes, you would. Very well might, if I could find some common thread that unites them all in some way. Like if they were all Republicans, for instance. I take it that you agree with my assessment of Gov. Walker’s character and opportunistic approach to politics? Or would you rather talk about something else? Perhaps a snide reference to Obamacare would illustrate your firm commitment to remaining strictly on topic and mindful of the proper context of a Pitting? Have you already done your liberal hypocrisy _shtick_ today, or is it still a mite early? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1670 "2014-01-27T17:41:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Very well might, if I could find some common thread that unites them all in some way. Like if they were all Republicans, for instance. > > I take it that you agree with my assessment of Gov. Walker’s character and opportunistic approach to politics? Or would you rather talk about something else? Perhaps a snide reference to Obamacare would illustrate your firm commitment to remaining strictly on topic and mindful of the proper context of a Pitting? Have you already done your liberal hypocrisy _shtick_ today, or is it still a mite early? Good grief, I could post fifty times per day highlighting liberal hypocrisy and not scratch the surface. I don’t agree with your assessment of Walker, no. Nor do I agree that a thread purportedly Pitting Walker for his signing of the ultrasound bill is the best venue to assign him blame for other ultrasound bills passed in other states, even if the proponents of those bills were also Republican. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1671 "2014-01-27T17:58:13Z")
Oh, so he forthrightly spoke in opposition to such laws? Didn’t hear about that, do let me know. And laws designed to harass, intimidate, humiliate and misinform women seeking entirely legal medical procedures, they are all hunky-dory so long as no actual insertion is performed? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1672 "2014-01-27T18:27:56Z")
Hunky dory =/= what the thread title says. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1673 "2014-01-27T18:56:11Z")
I’m okay with Walker being the poster boy and whipping boy for all like-minded misogynists. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1674 "2014-01-27T19:25:35Z")
Of course you realize this will disqualify you for the **Bricker** Good Pit Citizenship Award? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1675 "2014-01-27T19:33:13Z")
Typical liberal lack of concern for things like “facts.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1676 "2014-01-27T20:06:55Z")
Ah, Bricker… you’re so predictable. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1677 "2014-01-27T20:12:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Typical liberal lack of concern for things like “facts.” This is rather amusing, coming from a member of the Legislate-From-the-Bible-Party. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1678 "2014-01-27T20:20:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Typical liberal lack of concern for things like “facts.” Yes, god forbid that a thread evolved from a specific instance of dickish behavior into one about the dickish behavior in general. Are you suggesting that we start a spearate thread for each instance of ultrasound legislation? That would seem pretty redundant to me, but whatever floats your boat. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1679 "2014-01-27T20:42:59Z")
To be fair, it’s not right to blame Scott Walker for raping women, he just belongs to a party that rapes women and instead all he wants to do is attempt to emotionally manipulate them or shame them. As much as I hate Bricker, he’s in the right here. Let’s keep the “Republicans are rapists” criticism a general one, or targeting specific people who are doing specific things. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746/1680 "2014-02-16T16:29:55Z")
For what it’s worth, women in Virginia are more likely to support the TVU law than men. women are 44% in favor, men only 38%. which is what I would have expected, but seems to surprise some people. I don’t know if mandatory TVU laws are effective, but I don’t see the problem with them in principle. If you don’t want to have one, then you don’t need to choose to have an elective abortion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-gov-scott-walker-for-mandating-the-unnecessary-inserting-of-objects-into-women/662746.md?page=85)