# I Pit Hillary Clinton **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189 "2016-11-09T13:35:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/1 "2016-11-09T13:35:44Z")
For the past few months, I have been excoriating the Republican party, because they chose the one candidate in the field that couldn’t beat Clinton. I was wrong. The Democrats picked the candidate who couldn’t beat **Donald Effing Trump**. > [@Thomas Jefferson](#): > > Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. I’m not ready to start stockpiling ammunition and canned goods, but the GOP Congressman I heard interviewed on the radio this morning said “this is an extinction level event”, and he was right. Not that the US is going to disappear, or that WWIII is going to break out. But neither party is going to be the same, and it won’t be good, and it won’t be pretty. Hillary should have won by ten points. Instead, she lost to a New York real estate developer with a potty mouth and no political experience. Hillary, you prissy, paranoid putz, with your private servers and your Hollywood friends and your millions in Saudi money and everyone in the media on your side and every poll - and you blew it. Pit you. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/2 "2016-11-09T13:41:03Z")
I doubt I normally agree with the OP on many political issues–but I agree wholeheartedly with this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/3 "2016-11-09T13:56:15Z")
yes I think he is right. from over here it seemed strange that it should be retried when in 2008 she could not beat Obama with his skin color and with his funny name. I fear for the next few years with this Trump and his erraticism and he has the access to the nuclear weapons. it is justly the fault of Mrs Clinton who indeed was too arrogant ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/4 "2016-11-09T14:01:36Z")
Hey asshole, before you go blaming Clinton, maybe some of the blame should go to: - The republicans who built a 25-year-long industry out of throwing shit at her to see what stuck - The media, who gave one such fake scandal three times the total airtime they gave all the issues - Your stupid fucking republican friends who decided that voting for Trump was a good idea One party ran an entirely reasonable, viable politician with a slew of viable, reasonable policy proposals to help people. That party lost. Don’t go blaming us for that shit. Clinton was a fine candidate. The fact that she lost to Trump is not reason to blame her, it’s reason to bemoan how fucking stacked against her the deck was to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/5 "2016-11-09T14:04:59Z")
So after being given the biggest F-U in modern history, does Hillary have a political future? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/6 "2016-11-09T14:05:55Z")
We have only ourselves to blame. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/7 "2016-11-09T14:07:26Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hey asshole, before you go blaming Clinton, maybe some of the blame should go to: > > - The republicans who built a 25-year-long industry out of throwing shit at her to see what stuck > - The media, who gave one such fake scandal three times the total airtime they gave all the issues > - Your stupid fucking republican friends who decided that voting for Trump was a good idea - Comey ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/8 "2016-11-09T14:09:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m not ready to start stockpiling ammunition and canned goods, but the GOP Congressman I heard interviewed on the radio this morning said “this is an extinction level event”, and he was right. Not that the US is going to disappear, or that WWIII is going to break out. But neither party is going to be the same, and it won’t be good, and it won’t be pretty. You may want to rethink things regarding ammunition. His statements to the rabble about ending crime on day one sounded a lot like marshal law, to me. As for this being an ‘extinction level event’, I agree. We are seeing the end of the Republican party looming. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/9 "2016-11-09T14:12:07Z")
If you told me that I’d be agreeing with Shodan on a political thread the day after a presidential election, I would called you crazy, but here I am. During the primaries, we were told we had to get behind Hillary because she was electable. Can we finally be done with the Clintons (and throw the Bushes on that ash heap of history while were at it)? If we’re going to lose elections, can we at least run Democrats next time? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/10 "2016-11-09T14:21:58Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > If you told me that I’d be agreeing with Shodan on a political thread the day after a presidential election, I would called you crazy, but here I am. Room for one more fellow in this strange bed? To think, all the wingnut pundits who wailed and screeched for years that the Clintons would destroy America may be proven right. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/11 "2016-11-09T14:23:07Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > If you told me that I’d be agreeing with Shodan on a political thread the day after a presidential election, I would called you crazy, but here I am. > > During the primaries, we were told we had to get behind Hillary because she was electable. Can we finally be done with the Clintons (and throw the Bushes on that ash heap of history while were at it)? If we’re going to lose elections, can we at least run Democrats next time? That’s one of the things that is unsettling about this election. Trump is much more of a RINO than Hillary is a DINO - she is an establishment Democrat. If by “running Democrats” you mean someone like Tim Kaine, I have no issue. But the main competitor was Bernie Sanders, a socialist. Who else is there - Jill Stein? As I said, this is upsetting - Hillary, an establishment Democrat, isn’t electable. Trump, a loose cannon, is. For the GOP, I don’t think it could get any worse in terms of who they nominate. But is the lesson the Democrats learn going to be “we need to nominate a dangerous fruitcake in 2020”? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/12 "2016-11-09T14:29:35Z")
Well, really, what would have happened if we had some form of open primary system? Where _everyone_ could select a top two for the general? Or my favorite, a three month election with continuous, revisable voting tallied five or six times, so that we could actually see how it was going? This two-party “system” may have worked decades ago, in its way, but today it seems like _the_ problem. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/13 "2016-11-09T14:30:31Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > You may want to rethink things regarding ammunition. His statements to the rabble about ending crime on day one sounded a lot like marshal law, to me. As for this being an ‘extinction level event’, I agree. We are seeing the end of the Republican party looming. I’m an outsider so apologies if this seems naive or ridiculous, but doesn’t Trump’s victory mean the Republicans basically have carte blanche to do pretty much whatever they want? I mean, Trump’s just a fool on an ego trip. He’ll sign whatever Paul Ryan puts in front of him. Since the Republicans still hold the house and the senate, is there any way Democrats can effectively oppose Ryan’s agenda? ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/14 "2016-11-09T14:34:08Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > One party ran an entirely reasonable, viable politician Clearly not; I think the biggest thing the Democrats did was underestimate the amount of baggage among Republicans/conservatives that Hillary inherited from Bill. Not understanding that was a huge millstone around her neck from the beginning, even though she was palatable to the Democrat establishment. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/15 "2016-11-09T14:34:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s one of the things that is unsettling about this election. Trump is much more of a RINO than Hillary is a DINO - she is an establishment Democrat. > > If by “running Democrats” you mean someone like Tim Kaine, I have no issue. But the main competitor was Bernie Sanders, a socialist. Who else is there - Jill Stein? > > As I said, this is upsetting - Hillary, an establishment Democrat, isn’t electable. Trump, a loose cannon, is. For the GOP, I don’t think it could get any worse in terms of who they nominate. But is the lesson the Democrats learn going to be “we need to nominate a dangerous fruitcake in 2020”? > > Regards, > Shodan I don’t know who is electable, but the Democrats need someone. My Conservative friends are talking about how this election was about throwing out the establishment. I don’t know what to do with that. I really don’t believe that the Presidency is an entry level position, but the people seem to want someone with no experience. ---
**Author:** ![Waymore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Waymore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waymore)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/16 "2016-11-09T14:35:34Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hey asshole, before you go blaming Clinton, maybe some of the blame should go to: > > - The republicans who built a 25-year-long industry out of throwing shit at her to see what stuck > - The media, who gave one such fake scandal three times the total airtime they gave all the issues > - Your stupid fucking republican friends who decided that voting for Trump was a good idea > > One party ran an entirely reasonable, viable politician with a slew of viable, reasonable policy proposals to help people. That party lost. Don’t go blaming us for that shit. Clinton was a fine candidate. The fact that she lost to Trump is not reason to blame her, it’s reason to bemoan how fucking stacked against her the deck was to begin with. Your side entered a contest against an almost universally derided competitor and lost big. Of course Clinton is to blame. ---
**Author:** ![KAndre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@KAndre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KAndre)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/17 "2016-11-09T14:39:19Z")
_looks up_ I have to agree with Shodan’s last statement (and that says how freaky this all is). And I really don’t want to see Beyoncé running in 2020 (and I like Beyoncé). I don’t want Will Smith, or who ever hosts “The Amazing Race” or even worse, someone who says, “You know all those people - they are nothing but Bundys and Dylan Roofs and bad cops and they hate us - let’s hate them more and harder” (and it’s worse because I can feel my reptilian brain whispering “but it’s truuuuuuue” and I have to consciously fight it) _running_ much less winning. But it worked. Dammit, it worked. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/18 "2016-11-09T14:40:31Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hey asshole, before you go blaming Clinton, maybe some of the blame should go to: > > - The republicans who built a 25-year-long industry out of throwing shit at her to see what stuck > - The media, who gave one such fake scandal three times the total airtime they gave all the issues > - Your stupid fucking republican friends who decided that voting for Trump was a good idea > > One party ran an entirely reasonable, viable politician with a slew of viable, reasonable policy proposals to help people. That party lost. Don’t go blaming us for that shit. Clinton was a fine candidate. The fact that she lost to Trump is not reason to blame her, it’s reason to bemoan how fucking stacked against her the deck was to begin with. Why nominate someone with the deck stacked so heavily against her? because it was her turn? Didn’t the Republicans used to do that and fail? Clinton lost because she was unelectable despite her assurances that she was. She lost because she ran a horrible campaign despite having more money, more experience, party support, more of everything but votes. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/19 "2016-11-09T14:43:05Z")
I \<3 Shodan… What is happening? Guys, can one of you please check my quantum signature. I think I may have slipped into another dimension overnight. I’m half expecting to walk into my Boss’s office and find a dinosaur in a suit. “Sinclair! Where’s your report?!” ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/20 "2016-11-09T14:43:45Z")
> [@Waymore](#): > > Your side entered a contest against an almost universally derided competitor and lost big. Of course Clinton is to blame. indeed, I kept reading here the boasting about a great “ground game” of the Mrs Clinton campaign and I even managed to learn this strange acronym GOTV (I thought first what does the TV have to do with the subject). to read this morning of how she managed to collapse support from what the first black president of the USA got even on his re-election campaign says that it is she herself that was the problem. To engage in the denialism is not to learn a lesson. and for the political studies and the forecasting, they now can know that indeed People do matter, the Person who is the Candidate does matter, and it is not just numerical mechanics. for Mrs Clinton to not be able to beat this Trump person, it is a clear statement she herself was not a good candidate by her qualities as a Candidate (I do not have a strong opinion about her as the potential actual President)… (and I think she should feel deep shame and she should permanently withdraw from the public life for inflicting this great catastrophe on the world.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189.md?page=2)