# I Pit Hillary Clinton **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189 "2016-11-09T13:35:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 146
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189/146 "2016-11-10T14:17:55Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > … **But** she sucked at _being the candidate._ And you have to succeed at that to become the President. > > … > In 2008 I was thinking “oh well, _someone else_ will be the first woman president in 8 or 12 or 20 years” …but oh, no, she was not leaving it at that… I know it takes a preposterous sense of self-worth and of the “call of history” to even try running for president seriously, but for fuck’s sake, telling yourself it is your destiny to be the first woman president does not make it be so. … Yes it seems that if there is one solid and not deniable criticism of her, it is indeed the blindness and the false sense of a destiny although if she had been able to listen to criticism she should have known that she was not the vehicle and that her skills and her role was to play an emminence grise in the future to support some charismatic candidate. > [@Memnon](#): > > … Ultimately, it all came down to charisma, as it always does and as it always will. It seems from reading this article, [It Appears As Though Hillary Clinton Was Ultimately Done In By Low Democratic Voter Turnout](http://uproxx.com/news/hillary-clinton-democratic-voter-turnout/), which is showing the American voting data that you have the confirmation it was indeed the collapse in the enthusiasm and the support of Mrs Clinton’s own party and not an explosion of the support to Trump > [@](#): > > Last night and this morning many seemed to think that the reason Trump won was because angry white voters turned out in large numbers to vote for him. But with nearly all the votes now tallied it appears as though that’s just not the case. In fact, Trump garnered fewer overall votes nationwide than John McCain and Mitt Romney, the past two losing GOP nominees, did in 2008 and 2012. As of this writing, with almost all votes counted, Trump has tallied 59,611,678 votes; Romney pulled in 60,933,504 in 2012, and McCain 59,948,323 in 2008. > > By comparison, Hillary’s 59,814,018 votes (which won her the popular vote, but not the Electoral College vote) is considerably less than the 69,498,516 Obama got in 2008, and the 65,915,795 he received in 2012. She was particularly hurt by low turnout in crucial swing states. also > [@](#): > > Further, **[Vox](http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump)** notes that “Clinton garnered 129,000 fewer votes in heavily Democratic Detroit than Obama did four years ago — and lost the state by around 61,000 total votes” and that she “got 95,000 fewer votes in heavily Democratic Milwaukee than Obama did — and lost the state by 73,000 total votes.” > > Additionally, core Democratic voting groups likes blacks and Hispanics didn’t vote along party lines for Clinton as many assumed they would. As Pew Research notes, “Clinton held an 80-point advantage among blacks (88% to 8%) compared with Obama’s 87-point edge four years ago (93% to 6%). In 2008, Obama had a 91-point advantage among blacks.” > > **So while the theory that Trump won because of angry white people turning out in droves for him may be popular, the truth behind Clinton’s defeat appears to lie in the fact that voters were just not passionate enough about her to get out and actually vote for her, and the ones who did weren’t as loyal to the party as they were for Obama.** > > One of the big knocks against Clinton in the Democratic primary was that, in addition to not being particularly charismatic and exciting, the emphasis added. It is then in this data and the details showing in this article the clear failure of her as the candidate, it is indeed her failure, it is not the huge outpouring and increase for the Trump, but the discouragement and the failure of the inspiration role. (and even here the data there says that even on the republican side there was great discouragement, it suggests that a figure other than Mrs Clinton could have attracted in an anti trump vote). I think these numbers say clearly, it is the personal failure despite being the well financed and the better organized. It is the failure of the mechanistic technocratic view that forgets the human character motivation and the role of the human charisma… or so I see if from overseas looking at these American voting numbers. I am angry to see this, as it seems to me this person’s blindness and lack of charisma has made the world more dangerous by being the person who opened needlessly the door to this Trump. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hillary-clinton/771189)._