# I Pit HOBBY LOBBY **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335 "2012-11-28T02:45:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/741 "2014-07-01T15:30:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And the United States also does huge business with China, even though we presumably don’t like their human rights abuses. > > So what? Most Americans don’t make a big fucking deal about how much they love life so much they’re willing to refuse women access to a damned IUI on the very tiny chance it might prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. So they go all the way to our highest court in the land over this alleged principle. And then they turn around and do business with a place where abortions are not only state subsidized but often coerced. It makes them look like ridiculous hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/742 "2014-07-01T15:30:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Have you read the RFRA? What portion of the RFRA requires employers to cover vaccinations over a sincere religious objection? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/743 "2014-07-01T15:31:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Cite? > > This statement utterly denies the existence of free will. It’s reasoning applies to any evil act. “If God didn’t want my house to be burglarized, He would have stopped it.” > > Of course not. How could humans be said to have free will if God negated every act He did not want? Funny, I was always told that god has a plan for my life. I assume this extends to women, and their unborn children as well. So, either god plans for people to have abortions and plans out the 10-week life of their aborted fetuses, or it is possible to thwart god’s plan. Which is it? Ya know, in a lot of ways you are really smart. I often enjoy reading your legal reasoning and I think your mind works well in that specific area. And then you post stuff like this and remind me that you are really dumb. You believe in fairy tales that my 8-year old can spot as bullshit from a mile away. Even your legal analysis is often skewed by what you think some invisible prick that lives in the sky would want you to believe. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/744 "2014-07-01T15:34:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Have you read the RFRA? > > In the middle of your hysteria, I mean. _My_ hysteria? :dubious: I am not the fucking religious extremists who went to our highest court over the idea of funding an IUI because I don’t know shit about science. All the while making a fortune doing a lot of business with a place where abortions are known to be legal, state funded and often coerced. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/745 "2014-07-01T15:41:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I completely disagree. The bedrock of our national identity is resting legislative and executive power in the elected, not the unelected. Your idea would eviscerate the “We The People,” concept of sovereignty and destroy the “consent of the governed,” which Jefferson so poetically invoked. > > You’re not alone in your view, so I can’t call it crazy. > > But I pray that it doesn’t gain wide acceptance. That all sounds good, but until it seems likely and I until I can trust that most of the elected officials actually have integrity and decency, I have no choice but to support politicians that are more likely to appoint judges that will do the right thing as I see it. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/746 "2014-07-01T15:46:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It was quite telling to see the right wing reaction to yesterday’s decisions. A lot of them had their biggest erections since they heard that George Zimmerman murdered an unarmed black teen. A whole lot of end zone dancing. As I’ve said many times, being a conservative doesn’t make you an asshole- being an asshole makes you conservative. > > In the long term, the forces of goodness and light can take comfort in the fact that this has energized the women voters, doubtlessly switching a lot of R votes to the D column, and making sure that a lot of Ds that would otherwise have stayed home. Yeah, it might almost make up for the DLC’s ignoring the progressives on economic issue. Many more women will vote D in desperation to regain their rights. Maybe enough to make up for all the progressives who are voting Green. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/747 "2014-07-01T15:58:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am not aware of any serious scholarship which suggests that the likelihood of aspirin causing a failure of implantation of a fertilized egg is of the same order of magnitude of an IUD causing such a failure. > > Are you? I am. Since this is a subject that you imply that you follow closely, I’m surprised you’re not aware of the scientific developments of the last decade. Maybe when you get around to responding to the last post I made in response to your call for cites (on the Dictionary Act), then I’ll get around to posting the research on the subject of Plan B, IUDs, and implantation. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/748 "2014-07-01T16:02:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I completely disagree. The bedrock of our national identity is resting legislative and executive power in the elected, not the unelected. Your idea would eviscerate the “We The People,” concept of sovereignty and destroy the “consent of the governed,” which Jefferson so poetically invoked. Odd then that the founding fathers would create three branches of government, including the judicial, meant to be a check and balance on each other. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/749 "2014-07-01T16:06:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And the United States also does huge business with China, even though we presumably don’t like their human rights abuses. > > So what? One questions the sincerity of Hobby Lobby’s religious beliefs … AND the sincerity of the US’s commitment to human rights. Rightly so, in both cases. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/750 "2014-07-01T16:07:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Correct. Before fertilization, they say, not a person. After: person. > > That’s been the consistent position of pro-life people for a little while now. Well, they’ve been wrong for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/751 "2014-07-01T17:24:37Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > One questions the sincerity of Hobby Lobby’s religious beliefs … AND the sincerity of the US’s commitment to human rights. Only if one is possessed of a particularly pig-headed brand of stupidity. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/752 "2014-07-01T17:26:48Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Here is more specific information - [What Birth Control is Affected](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/morning-after-iuds/11768653/): > > It doesn’t affect: > > • Most birth control pills > > • Condoms > > • Sponges > > • Sterilization > > It does affect: > > • Plan B “morning-after pill” > > • Ella “morning-after pill” > > • Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs) > > Time to take a deep breath. I am not in support of this decision at all due to the potentially slippery slope, but it is not as bad as I initially thought. And for the birth control that _is_ affected The Court said, “The most straightforward way of doing this (providing coverage) would be for the Government to assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives at issue to any women who are unable to obtain them under their health-insurance policies due to their employers’ religious objections.” Sounds like a single-payer plan for contraceptive services. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/753 "2014-07-01T17:48:47Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > And for the birth control that _is_ affected The Court said, “The most straightforward way of doing this (providing coverage) would be for the Government to assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives at issue to any women who are unable to obtain them under their health-insurance policies due to their employers’ religious objections.” > > Sounds like a single-payer plan for contraceptive services. How do they sidestep the Hyde Amendment and the Stupak–Pitts Amendment which say the Fed cannot fund abortions? If these methods are deemed to be abortifacients (or just potentially so) they cannot fund this. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/754 "2014-07-01T17:58:38Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > How do they sidestep the Hyde Amendment and the Stupak–Pitts Amendment which say the Fed cannot fund abortions? > > If these methods are deemed to be abortifacients (or just potentially so) they cannot fund this. I dunno. How do those amendments define “abortion”? Is the word “fetus” used? If so, I think “fetus” kicks in after what, 11 weeks? The drugs prohibited in Hobby Lobby do their thing way before that. If so, then yeah, it looks like the Fed can fund them according to SCOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/755 "2014-07-01T19:48:17Z")
> [@G-SE](#): > > Yeah! In fact, let’s smash their shop windows overnight, those dirty Christians! > > [Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_boycott_of_Jewish_businesses#mediaviewer/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-14468,_Berlin,_NS-Boykott_gegen_j%C3%BCdische_Gesch%C3%A4fte.jpg) Dirty hypocrites is more accurate, I’d bet. I won’t be breaking any glass or dragging anyone into the street, but fvck if they get a single penny from me. Nice stab at the “we’re being persecuted” thing too. And the “start a bizniz and blah blah” won’t fly with me either. This ruling says, the religious belefs of the owners trumps any religious beliefs (or none) of employees. I call bullshit. If you have money and are in charge, you get to decide what laws and regs you will comply with, based on “religion” and what religious bullshit your employees have to stomach… because you’re large and in charge and have money. Bullshit. “Nazi\_boycott\_of\_Jewish\_businesses”. I’m no damn Nazi. I AM a supporter of not buying from ASSHOLES. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/756 "2014-07-01T19:51:53Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Ah, the courts will now be sitting in judgment of the professed religious sincerity of corporations. Wise men, indeed! Uh huh.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/757 "2014-07-01T19:53:08Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Yet they don’t think it’s “sinful” to profit off the very thing they refuse to give to others. I know that morality, for some, is very fluid and all, … Uh huh :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/758 "2014-07-01T19:54:58Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Godwin, really? > > :dubious: > > You are whooshing us, right? > > They might want to try convincing themselves first. Because they’re telling the entire fucking world that something is sinful while readily investing in it. They’re a bunch of religious fanatic hypocrites who are attempting to deprive women of health care in the name of their lack of understanding of science and their deep seated sexism. > > As someone who has taken birth control pills solely to help conceive my children, I find their morals unconvicing, their understanding of science pathetic and their sanctimony laughable. I shall take great happiness in both not patronizing their enterprise and praying to my own deity that they go bankrupt. I wouldn’t buy a damn thing there. I guess that makes me a Nazi :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/759 "2014-07-01T20:05:48Z")
it’s a great store, lots of Cool stuff, a little expensive but nice none the less! may have to make a trip with the wife! she loves it there! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/760 "2014-07-01T20:27:38Z")
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