# I Pit HOBBY LOBBY **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335 "2012-11-28T02:45:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1581 "2014-07-23T14:20:40Z")
Since they cause more damage than religions or homeopathic products, let’s start with politicians first, call it the “If you like my campaign promises, I’ll keep them” regulation. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1582 "2014-07-23T14:23:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Perhaps religions will have to start carrying disclaimers about not having been evaluated or proven, like homeopathic products. Atheist fantasies are so cute. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1583 "2014-07-23T14:46:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is it possible to actually find out if Hobby Lube paid for their own litigation bill, or did the Beckett people chip in? I wonder if it’s possible to find out who has been paid to publically whine about the Hobby Lobby decision, the 1993 law that made the HL case, and eventual win, possible, male-judges-making-legal-decisions-concerning-women, and the Archbishop of Canterbury’s people? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1584 "2014-07-23T18:33:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Atheist fantasies are so cute. Says the guy who thinks a cracker turns into a long dead carpenter…\* in his mouth\*. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1585 "2014-07-23T18:36:02Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Says the guy who thinks a cracker turns into a long dead carpenter…\* in his mouth\*. Don’t be absurd. That doesn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1586 "2014-07-23T19:36:28Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Says the guy who thinks a cracker turns into a long dead carpenter…\* in his mouth\*. > [@Bricker](#): > > Don’t be absurd. That doesn’t happen. Exactly. It turns into a _tekton_ in the chalice. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1587 "2014-07-23T19:39:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Says the guy who thinks a cracker turns into a long dead carpenter…\* in his mouth\*. Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. Is that really what you think happens? No wonder your war on religion is floundering. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1588 "2014-07-23T19:40:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Exactly. It turns into a _tekton_ in the chalice. I actually knew that, but the way I put it was funnier. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1589 "2014-07-23T19:49:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. Is that really what you think happens? No wonder your war on religion is floundering. I think you’ll note that atheism is on the upswing. In a couple hundred years Christians will be seen as Scientologists are now. Also, I took my understanding of the communion from some guy: [ > [@Some Guy](#): > > Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship. We do not regard the bread and wine of communion as merely a symbol: we hold that, when the Mass is celebrated by a priest, the bread and wine change character and become the true body and blood of Christ. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6695304&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6695304&postcount=2)) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1590 "2014-07-23T20:21:13Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I think you’ll note that atheism is on the upswing. In a couple hundred years Christians will be seen as Scientologists are now. > > Also, I took my understanding of the communion from some guy: > [url=[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6695304&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6695304&postcount=2)] The quotation you offer is precisely correct, and brilliantly written to boot. Your understanding of it is somewhat flawed. As you now concede, the essential transformation happens in the chalice, not the mouth. Moreover, your description elides what the quoted text makes clear: the bread and wine _change character_ and become the true body and blood of Christ. Change “character” is a term relating to what changes, and what doesn’t. Things have, according to Catholic belief, both a _species_ and a _substance_. The species is the outwards appearance of the object – how it appears to our senses. The substance is the thing’s essential character. So Catholics believe that a transformation of the bread’s essence occurs, while the outwards appearance remains unmodified. And that it happens in the chalice. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1591 "2014-07-23T20:31:00Z")
And you know what? That has never made more sense than it does right now. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1592 "2014-07-23T20:31:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The quotation you offer is precisely correct, and brilliantly written to boot. > > Your understanding of it is somewhat flawed. > > As you now concede, the essential transformation happens in the chalice, not the mouth. Moreover, your description elides what the quoted text makes clear: the bread and wine _change character_ and become the true body and blood of Christ. > > Change “character” is a term relating to what changes, and what doesn’t. Things have, according to Catholic belief, both a _species_ and a _substance_. The species is the outwards appearance of the object – how it appears to our senses. The substance is the thing’s essential character. > > So Catholics believe that a transformation of the bread’s essence occurs, while the outwards appearance remains unmodified. > > And that it happens in the chalice. As I say, I did know that. There was a thread about some kid that ran off with a ensorcelled wafer. And there was sadness. The mouth thing was a joke. You know, like your thesaurus club sig. So, just so we’re clear, the magic happening in the cup, isn’t _absurd_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1593 "2014-07-23T20:37:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > And you know what? That has never made more sense than it does right now. Please tell me this was sincere and not sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1594 "2014-07-23T20:41:17Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > As I say, I did know that. There was a thread about some kid that ran off with a ensorcelled wafer. And there was sadness. The mouth thing was a joke. You know, like your thesaurus club sig. > > So, just so we’re clear, the magic happening in the cup, isn’t _absurd_. 😃 So now we 10 pages arguing about the difference between magic and miracles. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1595 "2014-07-23T20:49:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Please tell me this was sincere and not sarcastic. Sincere, but only technically. Sorry. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1596 "2014-07-23T20:57:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > As I say, I did know that. There was a thread about some kid that ran off with a ensorcelled wafer. And there was sadness. The mouth thing was a joke. You know, like your thesaurus club sig. > > So, just so we’re clear, the magic happening in the cup, isn’t _absurd_. 😃 Correct. It’s not absurd. I don’t quite get the mouth joke – why is it funny? The sig line is funny because it combines the movie line from Fight Club – the first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t talk about Fight Club – with the concept of a thesaurus, so that the rule spins out a half-dozen synonyms of “talk about.” That subverts the expectation created by the movie line in a comical way, directly tied to the somewhat silly concept of a Thesaurus Club. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1597 "2014-07-23T21:13:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The sig line is funny because it combines the movie line from Fight Club – the first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t talk about Fight Club – with the concept of a thesaurus, so that the rule spins out a half-dozen synonyms of “talk about.” That subverts the expectation created by the movie line in a comical way, directly tied to the somewhat silly concept of a Thesaurus Club. Just to be clear… that’s not actually funny. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1598 "2014-07-23T21:16:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Just to be clear… that’s not actually funny. Of course not. He just explained it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1599 "2014-07-23T21:18:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Just to be clear… that’s not actually funny. It’s sorta funny. Like, _The New Yorker_ cartoon funny. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335/1600 "2014-07-23T21:21:36Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s sorta funny. Like, _The New Yorker_ cartoon funny. Nerd funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hobby-lobby/642335.md?page=81)