# I pit homicidal killers who also lie about their blood sugar levels **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2006, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667 "2006-04-21T18:29:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/81 "2006-04-24T01:19:35Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Speaking of skin cream, how is Mr. Bacon doing? Keeping a low profile. I haven’t heard anymore about him. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/82 "2006-04-24T03:21:28Z")
Face it, **QtM** - if you threaten their ability to get a boner and they still don’t listen… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/83 "2006-04-24T06:20:35Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about sexual predators with severe allergies? How about bank robbers with migraines? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2006, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/84 "2006-04-24T15:52:08Z")
> [@MaddyStrut](#): > > Pretty much, they’ve expected SSRIs to work immediately (like Xanax or Klonipin) and don’t realize they may have to wait 4-6 weeks to see an effect or that the particular dose/drug may not be the right one, so they have to wait longer. But their thinking that SSRIs work the same as anxiolitcs (did I spell that right?) is incorrect–and their practictioner should have counselled them in that. When my daughter went on Zoloft for OCD, the pyschiatrist was quite clear–this will take awhile, and progress may seem slow, but it will work. (IMO, the “it will work” was just the doc expressing confidence to not undermine the pt’s trust). Lo and behold, 4 weeks later, her symptoms were much improved. [Side commentary]–we seem to want quick fixes in our society and with anxiety etc, that just ain’t gonna happen. Now, I would kill for an ocassional Xanax (or think I would-I’ve never had one), but for every day? No and no and no. Interesting about the sharps–should have been obvious as well. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/85 "2006-04-27T01:50:03Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > Also child molesters who play basketball in the gym but demand I give them a lower bunk because their knees bother them! I thought the top bunk was the preferable one. I am confused. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/86 "2006-04-27T02:21:29Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I thought the top bunk was the preferable one. I am confused. No, top is _not_ preferred. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/87 "2006-04-27T02:34:06Z")
Why not? I only spent one night in jail, and I sure didn’t sleep! ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/88 "2006-04-27T02:44:10Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > Why not? I only spent one night in jail, and I sure didn’t sleep! The lower bunk is easier in and out, closer to the toilet, and just overall higher “status” among the inmates. Having a “standing count” 4 times a day where each inmate must present himself standing by his cell door makes the lower bunks quite popular. And this is in prison, where they’ll spend up to the rest of their lives in some cases, so eventually they sleep. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/89 "2006-04-27T02:48:37Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > The lower bunk is . . . closer to the toilet,. Which is one of the reasons I thought the top bunk would be preferred. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2006, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/90 "2006-04-27T07:04:03Z")
Having never been in prison I can’t offer you the exact reasoning that would make a lower bunk more desirable than an upper one - but I have been in the Navy, and the lower bunks there were definitely for senior personnel. Upper bunks were, simply put, a pain to climb into when one is tired and worn out. As one gets older and older, I can easily see why that would reinforce the desirability of a lower bunk. The upper bunk is more mobile than the lower bunk. This means that the person in the upper bunk is going to feel the movements of the person in the lower bunk - often magnified. If the guy in the lower bunk rolls over and shakes his bed, say, half an inch, simple geometry would make it possible to infer that the upper bunk will move several inches. If one has a particularly active sleeper for a lower bunk mate this could cause sea-sickness all by itself. Every night. (Not to mention what happens when people start doing their daily _ahem_ maintenance.) One thing that the prison population will have to worry about that is not a factor in the Navy is sleep walking: If you’re a sleep walker having an upper bunk can be a real hazard. Then there’s the whole social aspect: the guy with the lower bunk can sit on it, and take part in coversations with other people on the same approximate level. The guy in the upper bunk can’t. One thing that the prisoners don’t have to worry about, though, is that when the ship gets into heavy seas, when one is thrown from a lower bunk there’s less distance to fall. (Though I did see one guy fall from an upper bunk in heavy seas, to the middle bunk on the opposite side of the hallway. The shock was enough to make him forget how miserable the seas were making his stomach. For a few minutes, at least.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/91 "2006-05-05T16:21:06Z")
That’s weird (about activity in a lower bunk being transmitted to the upper bunk). I’ve never ben underway on a Haze Gray, but in the submarines, the racks were attached securely to bulkheads, which in turn, were welded to the hull. The only place I encountered bunk beds of the sort that eight year old boys would fight over was in boot camp. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/92 "2006-05-06T00:36:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > That’s weird (about activity in a lower bunk being transmitted to the upper bunk). I’ve never ben underway on a Haze Gray, but in the submarines, the racks were attached securely to bulkheads, which in turn, were welded to the hull. The only place I encountered bunk beds of the sort that eight year old boys would fight over was in boot camp. Well, underway, it wasn’t a concern. But I spent about two months in Purgatory (aka Temporary Personnel Detachement) at Little Creek. There we were stuck in open bay barracks, below the CCU (aka Correctional Custody Unit - the Brig). We were fairly jealous of the people in CCU, actually - their quarters were air conditioned. TPD wasn’t. :eek: 😕 \ Transient facilites suck. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/93 "2006-05-06T21:28:10Z")
I had both upper and lower bunks in basic training, and there were a couple of differences I noticed, which can be important or unimportant depending on the person. **Knees/back** ; obviously if you’re deficient in one of these areas you’ll want the lower bunk. **Pranks and blanket parties** : There was only one blanket party that I heard of happening in my squadron, and it wasn’t in my dorm, but being on the lower bunk obviously makes the party easier to throw. Those on lower bunks were LOTS more likely to be involved in pranks, though, due to pranks being awarded generally based on convenience rather than merit. There were some merit pranks, though, and they were comedy gold, but I digress. My favorite was when a trainee went to the utility chief asking what was the best available substance to use as masturbation lubricant, and the utility chief handed him a bottle of sunscreen with more alcohol in it than Tucker Max on a Friday night. Penile hilarity ensued. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/94 "2006-05-07T13:34:36Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > I usually start my spiel by telling my diabetics that one of the first consequences of not taking care of their diabetes will be that they’ll lose their ability to get erections. Of course, my language when speaking to them tends to be less technical but more easily grasped by my patients. Wait a minute, wouldn’t losing the ability to get erections make it LESS easily grasped by your patients? Thank you, ladies and gentlemen! I’ll be here all week. Remember to tip your waiters. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/95 "2006-05-07T14:19:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Are there any other kinds of killers? I mean, besides homicidal. Self defense defense of country/laws accidental, including medical malpractice, or even medical procedures that result in death which shouldn’t have (i.e. breast implants) abortionist (for some) mercy killings ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/96 "2006-05-07T15:57:51Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Self defense > defense of country/laws > accidental, including medical malpractice, or even medical procedures that result in death which shouldn’t have (i.e. breast implants) > abortionist (for some) > mercy killings All are homicides, ergo homicidal. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/97 "2006-05-07T17:16:32Z")
I am not a lawyer … but I think we’re mixing up “murder” and “homicide.” A homicide is the killing of another person. Murder has attached to it certain conditions, including premeditation, I believe. Manslaughter is another designation, which would I think apply to the killing of a person with mitigating circumstances. An example might be a crime of passion: something a person when in the his/her right mind might not ordinarily do. Hm, I’d probably better look it up, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the defintions varied from state to state. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/98 "2006-05-07T17:18:00Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > My institution has 1,600 inmates. (…) And we have 700 new inmates coming in every month, with 700 leaving too. (…) > I’m in a max security institution Not entirely on-topic, but I have to ask. You’re in a maximum security facility, so I assume most inmates are there for long sentences (and indeed you mention that the sugar-liar is going to be there for decades). Yet, the place rotates almost half of its population every month? How come? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/99 "2006-05-07T17:18:17Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > All are homicides, ergo homicidal. Executioner? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667/100 "2006-05-07T18:54:18Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > Not entirely on-topic, but I have to ask. You’re in a maximum security facility, so I assume most inmates are there for long sentences (and indeed you mention that the sugar-liar is going to be there for decades). Yet, the place rotates almost half of its population every month? How come? We’re an intake and assessment center. We’re max by default. It’s at our institution that inmates get their security classification. But they’re all treated as max until they’re classified and sent out to other centers and institutions. We keep a small permanent population of inmates to help run the place. The rest generally stay with us only 90 days or so. Even our permanent population types generally stay with us only a decade or so, before they get sent to another facility. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-homicidal-killers-who-also-lie-about-their-blood-sugar-levels/353667.md?page=6)