# I Pit Hypocritical Fundamentalist GOPers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hypocritical-fundamentalist-gopers/629524 "2012-07-27T02:27:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hypocritical-fundamentalist-gopers/629524/101 "2012-08-01T02:56:20Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > He also calls the transgendered and transsexuals mentally ill in several threads, comparing them to someone who believes that they are Napoleon, etc. Furthermore he’s assessed SRS as doctor-assisted self-mutilation…and more stuff; I don’t even have time to look it up. Given that posting history, it begs belief that he would support SSM in any fashion whatsoever. I don’t explicitly support same sex marriage, I just don’t oppose it because of my beliefs on marriage in general. I don’t believe in state sanctioned marriage at all. I think there should be some sort of legal instrument you can use to basically in one swell swoop of a pen before a court official and/or a notary confer all the benefits of current state marriage (automatic beneficiary, certain entitlements if the agreement ends, certain guaranteed benefits on death, certain presumed rights when making medical decisions absent living will / legal power of attorney etc etc) and I think any two people should be able to have something like that signed. I mean, what if two asexual people want such a setup, and don’t even want to live together, but for whatever reason want a “personal partnership?” I don’t know why they shouldn’t be able to. State marriage basically just enshrines a religious/ social practice into law to the disadvantage of anyone who isn’t part of that aspects of society. It’s like the Romans could sort of enter into what we’d think of as “weird” relationships, where they might “adopt” an unrelated adult but it was really more akin to confer upon them various rights and privileges some of which are more akin to spousal privileges today. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hypocritical-fundamentalist-gopers/629524/102 "2012-08-01T15:57:58Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Yes, if the schizophrenia or bipolar is so bad as to make them unfit parents, take them away. So, how badly homosexual does a person need to be in order for their children to be confiscated? > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > I don’t believe in state sanctioned marriage at all. Good luck repealing article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights! > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > If it’s truly a moral issue you’d be obligated to find some alternative solution, because using that toilet paper means the owner of the public restroom will eventually order more, so you’re contributing, knowingly, to a right wing cause. Neglected to mention earlier, two wrongs fallacy (circuitously). ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hypocritical-fundamentalist-gopers/629524/103 "2012-08-01T19:13:26Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > So, how badly homosexual does a person need to be in order for their children to be confiscated? That’s up for children’s services to determine. > [@](#): > > Good luck repealing article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights! Fuck, you’re an idiot. > [@](#): > > Article 16. > > (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. > (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses. > (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State. Nothing in that mandates States regulate marriage or that States protect marriage over other forms of civil contract. A general civil contract system as I proposed would in no way be in violation of this. > [@](#): > > Neglected to mention earlier, two wrongs fallacy (circuitously). No, it’s not. Go back to high school forensics and find out what that fallacy actually is. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hypocritical-fundamentalist-gopers/629524/104 "2012-08-02T22:51:22Z")
> [@UDHR](#): > > right to marry and to found a family > [@UDHR](#): > > entitled to protection by society and the State > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > No, it’s not. It is if your premises were enumerated. They’d go something like this: If consequentialism were true then one’d be forced to comply with bad scenarios, which justifies deontology, despite worse outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hypocritical-fundamentalist-gopers/629524/105 "2012-08-02T23:54:09Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Given I’ve never had any hesitation to express **deeply unpopular** views here, I don’t think it unreasonable to ask that people take me at my word that I don’t actually believe those ridiculous (and nonsensical) things. Considering how ridiculous and nonsensical you are on this subject in general, you’ll have to excuse us for not being clear on when you’re being hyperbolic or not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-hypocritical-fundamentalist-gopers/629524.md?page=5)